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		<title>By: aphrael</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2004/06/29/november-ballot-initiatives/comment-page-1/#comment-4639</link>
		<dc:creator>aphrael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2004 04:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t read them, so am unwilling to commit, but based on my vague impressions:
&lt;p&gt;59. Yes. More public access to government information and documentation is always a good thing.
&lt;p&gt;60. No. The legislature trying an end-run around the voters is never a good thing.
&lt;p&gt;61. No. Bond measures aren&#039;t a good thing right now.
&lt;p&gt;62. Yes. I liked Proposition 198, as did the majority of the state&#039;s voters; this is the closest thing we can get to it, so we should give it a shot. It should be mostly irrelevant at the state level, but it could be critical in local elections in heavily gerrymandered districts.
&lt;p&gt;63. No opinion.
&lt;p&gt;64. No opinion.
&lt;p&gt;65. Yes. This measure goes overboard and is too restrictive. But something has to be done; the cities, counties, and local districts are getting raped by the state. 
&lt;p&gt;66. No opinion.
&lt;p&gt;67. Yes. 
&lt;p&gt;68. Uncertain. 
&lt;p&gt;69. No. Basically the same reason as you.
&lt;p&gt;70. Uncertain.
&lt;p&gt;71. Uncertain.


&lt;p&gt;Nice UI, btw.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t read them, so am unwilling to commit, but based on my vague impressions:</p>
<p>59. Yes. More public access to government information and documentation is always a good thing.
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<p>60. No. The legislature trying an end-run around the voters is never a good thing.
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<p>61. No. Bond measures aren&#8217;t a good thing right now.
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<p>62. Yes. I liked Proposition 198, as did the majority of the state&#8217;s voters; this is the closest thing we can get to it, so we should give it a shot. It should be mostly irrelevant at the state level, but it could be critical in local elections in heavily gerrymandered districts.
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<p>63. No opinion.
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<p>64. No opinion.
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<p>65. Yes. This measure goes overboard and is too restrictive. But something has to be done; the cities, counties, and local districts are getting raped by the state.
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<p>66. No opinion.
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<p>67. Yes.
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<p>68. Uncertain.
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<p>69. No. Basically the same reason as you.
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<p>70. Uncertain.
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<p>71. Uncertain.</p>
<p>Nice UI, btw.</p>
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		<title>By: Clark</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2004/06/29/november-ballot-initiatives/comment-page-1/#comment-4629</link>
		<dc:creator>Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m waiting for Angry Clam to weigh in.

I&#039;ll be sure to put a big red &quot;X&quot; through any initiative he drops an F-bomb on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m waiting for Angry Clam to weigh in.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be sure to put a big red &#8220;X&#8221; through any initiative he drops an F-bomb on.</p>
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		<title>By: Clark</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2004/06/29/november-ballot-initiatives/comment-page-1/#comment-4627</link>
		<dc:creator>Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I widely agree with your various recommendations, Jeff.

I as you would strongly support 69, IF it took DNA from CONVICTED felons.

THE WORST PROPS …

66—  3-SRIKE REPEAL
Kicks felons who are a menace to society back out on the streets on technicalities. As a further outrage releases criminals ALREADY SENTENCED! On this last point alone it should go down to defeat.

70—  GAMING RIGHTS
Corrupt tribes running immoral businesses don’t need such pandering and perks.

71—  FUNDING FOR STEM CELL RESEARCH
Just say no to mad scientists who today want dead fetuses and tomorrow will want cloned ones!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I widely agree with your various recommendations, Jeff.</p>
<p>I as you would strongly support 69, IF it took DNA from CONVICTED felons.</p>
<p>THE WORST PROPS …</p>
<p>66—  3-SRIKE REPEAL<br />
Kicks felons who are a menace to society back out on the streets on technicalities. As a further outrage releases criminals ALREADY SENTENCED! On this last point alone it should go down to defeat.</p>
<p>70—  GAMING RIGHTS<br />
Corrupt tribes running immoral businesses don’t need such pandering and perks.</p>
<p>71—  FUNDING FOR STEM CELL RESEARCH<br />
Just say no to mad scientists who today want dead fetuses and tomorrow will want cloned ones!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good grief.  14 propositions (and 5 more lined up).  Doesn&#039;t our highly-professional legislature do any work? 

I notice they&#039;ve cooled it a little on bond issues.  Good idea.

When they were going around for signatures, 68 and 70 (the Indian gambling measures) were mutually exclusive.  I don&#039;t know if that&#039;s still true.

I&#039;m still undecided on the &quot;3-strikes&quot; one.  When it first came in, a lot of bad guys left for other, more agreeable states, which is a definite plus.

But it seems like the current law isn&#039;t hitting where it should.

About RICO: has that law ever, ever, ever been used against the thing it&#039;s named after? Ever?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good grief.  14 propositions (and 5 more lined up).  Doesn&#8217;t our highly-professional legislature do any work? </p>
<p>I notice they&#8217;ve cooled it a little on bond issues.  Good idea.</p>
<p>When they were going around for signatures, 68 and 70 (the Indian gambling measures) were mutually exclusive.  I don&#8217;t know if that&#8217;s still true.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still undecided on the &#8220;3-strikes&#8221; one.  When it first came in, a lot of bad guys left for other, more agreeable states, which is a definite plus.</p>
<p>But it seems like the current law isn&#8217;t hitting where it should.</p>
<p>About RICO: has that law ever, ever, ever been used against the thing it&#8217;s named after? Ever?</p>
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		<title>By: Xrlq</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2004/06/29/november-ballot-initiatives/comment-page-1/#comment-4624</link>
		<dc:creator>Xrlq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, I didn&#039;t know you could bring RICO suits on that basis.  Note, however, that both of these suits were brought by parties who alleged they were the victims of the unlawful activity, and could not have been brought by a random private party purporting to act on behalf of the public at large.  At the federal level, such cases would likely be unconstitutional, as violatative of Article III (Michael Newdow&#039;s meddling with the Pledge, for example).  At the state level, they&#039;re not necessarily unconstitutional, but they are bad policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, I didn&#8217;t know you could bring RICO suits on that basis.  Note, however, that both of these suits were brought by parties who alleged they were the victims of the unlawful activity, and could not have been brought by a random private party purporting to act on behalf of the public at large.  At the federal level, such cases would likely be unconstitutional, as violatative of Article III (Michael Newdow&#8217;s meddling with the Pledge, for example).  At the state level, they&#8217;re not necessarily unconstitutional, but they are bad policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am happy, XRLQ, to report that we are in complete agreement on Prop 69.  And nothing else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am happy, XRLQ, to report that we are in complete agreement on Prop 69.  And nothing else.</p>
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		<title>By: The Lonewacko Blog</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2004/06/29/november-ballot-initiatives/comment-page-1/#comment-4622</link>
		<dc:creator>The Lonewacko Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fairus.org/Research/Research.cfm?ID=1437&amp;c=54&gt;From this:&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;i&gt;  A federal appeals court has held that companies whose competitors use illegal alien labor to underbid them may sue their rivals under the Racketeering Influenced and Corrupt Organizations statute (RICO)... The case began when a Connecticut company, Commercial Cleaning Services (CCS) filed suit against competitor Colin Service Systems Inc. (CSS Inc.), charging them with a pattern of hiring illegal aliens to reduce their costs, enabling them to underbid rival firms. In filing its suit, CCS took advantage of recent changes in the immigration law that made it possible to sue competitors for using illegal aliens
&lt;/i&gt;

Also see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fairus.org/Media/Media.cfm?ID=2338&amp;c=34&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; and its &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fairus.org/Media/Media.cfm?ID=2445&amp;c=34&quot;&gt;update&lt;/a&gt;.

You tell me why no lawyers aren&#039;t raking in the millions - perhaps billions - off similar suits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.fairus.org/Research/Research.cfm?ID=1437&#038;c=54>From this:</a></p>
<p><i>  A federal appeals court has held that companies whose competitors use illegal alien labor to underbid them may sue their rivals under the Racketeering Influenced and Corrupt Organizations statute (RICO)&#8230; The case began when a Connecticut company, Commercial Cleaning Services (CCS) filed suit against competitor Colin Service Systems Inc. (CSS Inc.), charging them with a pattern of hiring illegal aliens to reduce their costs, enabling them to underbid rival firms. In filing its suit, CCS took advantage of recent changes in the immigration law that made it possible to sue competitors for using illegal aliens<br />
</i></p>
<p>Also see <a href="http://www.fairus.org/Media/Media.cfm?ID=2338&#038;c=34">this</a> and its <a href="http://www.fairus.org/Media/Media.cfm?ID=2445&#038;c=34">update</a>.</p>
<p>You tell me why no lawyers aren&#8217;t raking in the millions &#8211; perhaps billions &#8211; off similar suits.</p>
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		<title>By: Xrlq</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2004/06/29/november-ballot-initiatives/comment-page-1/#comment-4620</link>
		<dc:creator>Xrlq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember the Trevor Law Group?  This law was their bread and butter, and still is for other groups that aren&#039;t as well known. It has nothing to do with protecting the public, and everything to do with getting rich by proving (or worse, falsely claiming) minor violations of arcane laws where no one got hurt and someone stands to get rich.  It&#039;s one of the main reasons so many businesses want to leave California, while almost none want to come here.

I don&#039;t know that you can sue companies for hiring illegal aliens, under this law or otherwise.  Do you?  If so, why isn&#039;t that happening right and left?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember the Trevor Law Group?  This law was their bread and butter, and still is for other groups that aren&#8217;t as well known. It has nothing to do with protecting the public, and everything to do with getting rich by proving (or worse, falsely claiming) minor violations of arcane laws where no one got hurt and someone stands to get rich.  It&#8217;s one of the main reasons so many businesses want to leave California, while almost none want to come here.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know that you can sue companies for hiring illegal aliens, under this law or otherwise.  Do you?  If so, why isn&#8217;t that happening right and left?</p>
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		<title>By: The Lonewacko Blog</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2004/06/29/november-ballot-initiatives/comment-page-1/#comment-4619</link>
		<dc:creator>The Lonewacko Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2004 05:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just based on the blurbs:

&lt;i&gt;64. ...authorize only California Attorney General or local public officials to sue on behalf of general public to enforce unfair business competition laws.&lt;/i&gt;

I say no. I&#039;m sure there are abuses (I&#039;m not up on the current abuses, but I guess that&#039;s one of the reasons this is here), but there should be an incentive to sue for damage done to the general public. For instance, by companies that hire illegal aliens. Other suits for unfair competition might have been filed on behalf of those companies directly injured, but I&#039;d still like to leave this open.

67: Wasn&#039;t this put on the ballot by signature gatherers claiming it was for 9/11, when in reality the money goes to what it says in the blurb?

Regarding bond measures, remember the $10 billion education bond from last election? It&#039;s not enough; once all the schools built using that bond have been built, they&#039;ve determined that they&#039;ll still be short 35,000 seats.

If that hadn&#039;t been passed, it might have caused a lot of people to wake up to the fact that we can&#039;t continue to be the safety valve for corrupt third-world countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just based on the blurbs:</p>
<p><i>64. &#8230;authorize only California Attorney General or local public officials to sue on behalf of general public to enforce unfair business competition laws.</i></p>
<p>I say no. I&#8217;m sure there are abuses (I&#8217;m not up on the current abuses, but I guess that&#8217;s one of the reasons this is here), but there should be an incentive to sue for damage done to the general public. For instance, by companies that hire illegal aliens. Other suits for unfair competition might have been filed on behalf of those companies directly injured, but I&#8217;d still like to leave this open.</p>
<p>67: Wasn&#8217;t this put on the ballot by signature gatherers claiming it was for 9/11, when in reality the money goes to what it says in the blurb?</p>
<p>Regarding bond measures, remember the $10 billion education bond from last election? It&#8217;s not enough; once all the schools built using that bond have been built, they&#8217;ve determined that they&#8217;ll still be short 35,000 seats.</p>
<p>If that hadn&#8217;t been passed, it might have caused a lot of people to wake up to the fact that we can&#8217;t continue to be the safety valve for corrupt third-world countries.</p>
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		<title>By: Patterico's Pontifications</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patterico's Pontifications</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2004 04:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Initiatives Numbered . . . Start the Chant: NO ON 66!&lt;/strong&gt;
Dan Weintraub says the initiatives have been numbered -- 59 through 72. The one you will hear me talk most about here is 66 -- the dangerous pig-in-a-poke initiative designed to water down the Three Strikes law. (For information on...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Initiatives Numbered . . . Start the Chant: NO ON 66!</strong><br />
Dan Weintraub says the initiatives have been numbered &#8212; 59 through 72. The one you will hear me talk most about here is 66 &#8212; the dangerous pig-in-a-poke initiative designed to water down the Three Strikes law. (For information on&#8230;</p>
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