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		<title>By: LibraryGryffon</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2004/11/20/katz-and-dogs/comment-page-1/#comment-8887</link>
		<dc:creator>LibraryGryffon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2004 20:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps we should ask Mr. Katz whether he would be as quick to recommend euthanizing the Peke as vicious if it had been the one to do the biting, and Jan and Spice had been the ones requiring medical treatment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps we should ask Mr. Katz whether he would be as quick to recommend euthanizing the Peke as vicious if it had been the one to do the biting, and Jan and Spice had been the ones requiring medical treatment?</p>
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		<title>By: Hugo</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2004/11/20/katz-and-dogs/comment-page-1/#comment-8452</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the post, XRLQ.  As the former owner of a pit-lab mix, and one of those do-gooders who does give to rescues and no-kill shelters, I&#039;m angry.

I like when you post about dogs, X, because you and I are completely and utterly in agreement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the post, XRLQ.  As the former owner of a pit-lab mix, and one of those do-gooders who does give to rescues and no-kill shelters, I&#8217;m angry.</p>
<p>I like when you post about dogs, X, because you and I are completely and utterly in agreement.</p>
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		<title>By: Begging To Differ</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2004/11/20/katz-and-dogs/comment-page-1/#comment-8427</link>
		<dc:creator>Begging To Differ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2004 06:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;THE DOG BITE PROBLEM&lt;/strong&gt;
Reading this Slate story about a rescued pit bill mix (note to author: pit bulls are NOT Staffordshire Terriers) which ultimately ended up locking its jaws on another dog (who slipped off leash and accosted the rescued otherwise well behaved...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>THE DOG BITE PROBLEM</strong><br />
Reading this Slate story about a rescued pit bill mix (note to author: pit bulls are NOT Staffordshire Terriers) which ultimately ended up locking its jaws on another dog (who slipped off leash and accosted the rescued otherwise well behaved&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2004/11/20/katz-and-dogs/comment-page-1/#comment-8416</link>
		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2004 03:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now you made me feel guilty. I posted this on Patterico and decided not to send it. My neighbor has a pitbull. I was taking care of another neighbor&#039;s toy poodle. The poodle went after the pitbull and bit her, pulling her skin bacl 4-6 inches. I thought, oh shit, I&#039;m not breaking up this fight! But, the pitbull just wagged her tail and didn&#039;t seeme to mind at all. 

I always thought it would be good to teach a responsible pet ownership class in high school to kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now you made me feel guilty. I posted this on Patterico and decided not to send it. My neighbor has a pitbull. I was taking care of another neighbor&#8217;s toy poodle. The poodle went after the pitbull and bit her, pulling her skin bacl 4-6 inches. I thought, oh shit, I&#8217;m not breaking up this fight! But, the pitbull just wagged her tail and didn&#8217;t seeme to mind at all. </p>
<p>I always thought it would be good to teach a responsible pet ownership class in high school to kids.</p>
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		<title>By: clark</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2004/11/20/katz-and-dogs/comment-page-1/#comment-8412</link>
		<dc:creator>clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Clark, try the full quote, or at least a full sentence:&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Easy; easy X, my friend.

I cited only the first part of the quote because my issue was &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; with part B of your assertion of the lady’s idiocy (i.e.; the woman not keeping her grandson away from the incident), but &lt;i&gt;only&lt;/i&gt; with part A (i.e.; the woman herself trying to break up the dog fight).

As to the rest of your response, we’ll agree to disagree. We’re pretty much at opposite poles on the matter of dog breeds and dog aggression.

Remember, I’m not &lt;i&gt;arguing&lt;/i&gt; with you or anything. I know better than to do that. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Clark, try the full quote, or at least a full sentence:</p></blockquote>
<p>Easy; easy X, my friend.</p>
<p>I cited only the first part of the quote because my issue was <b>not</b> with part B of your assertion of the lady’s idiocy (i.e.; the woman not keeping her grandson away from the incident), but <i>only</i> with part A (i.e.; the woman herself trying to break up the dog fight).</p>
<p>As to the rest of your response, we’ll agree to disagree. We’re pretty much at opposite poles on the matter of dog breeds and dog aggression.</p>
<p>Remember, I’m not <i>arguing</i> with you or anything. I know better than to do that. ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Xrlq</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2004/11/20/katz-and-dogs/comment-page-1/#comment-8407</link>
		<dc:creator>Xrlq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2004 18:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clark, try the full quote, or at least a full sentence:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Translation: the idiot woman who couldn’t keep her dog on a leash, also lacked the smarts not to try to break up a nasty dog fight, or at least to keep her five year old grandson from getting involved.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I didn&#039;t call her an idiot for trying to break up a dog fight. I&#039;ve done that myself a time or two.  I called her an idiot for allowing a five year old child to get in the middle of this melee.

Fact of the matter is, most dogs have it within them to fight back if attacked, and any person who jumps in the middle of the situation is likely to get bitten badly as a result.  That&#039;s different from having a propensity to attack humans without provocation - those dogs should indeed be put down.

In any event, this Katz guy is (or, I hope, was) a totally shitty friend toward Jan.  The least he could have done for his friend is to write a truthful letter as a favor to her, whether he agreed with her ultimate position or not.  Screw him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clark, try the full quote, or at least a full sentence:</p>
<blockquote><p>Translation: the idiot woman who couldn’t keep her dog on a leash, also lacked the smarts not to try to break up a nasty dog fight, or at least to keep her five year old grandson from getting involved.</p></blockquote>
<p>I didn&#8217;t call her an idiot for trying to break up a dog fight. I&#8217;ve done that myself a time or two.  I called her an idiot for allowing a five year old child to get in the middle of this melee.</p>
<p>Fact of the matter is, most dogs have it within them to fight back if attacked, and any person who jumps in the middle of the situation is likely to get bitten badly as a result.  That&#8217;s different from having a propensity to attack humans without provocation &#8211; those dogs should indeed be put down.</p>
<p>In any event, this Katz guy is (or, I hope, was) a totally shitty friend toward Jan.  The least he could have done for his friend is to write a truthful letter as a favor to her, whether he agreed with her ultimate position or not.  Screw him.</p>
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		<title>By: caltechgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>caltechgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2004 16:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly, X it&#039;s just another example of NIMBYs with too much time on their hands.  IMO, any dog can be sweet and gentle and at the same time, any dog can attack a child or another dog.  Both are in their nature.  These are domesticated wolves, after all, some more than others.  A responsible owner knows which tendencies their dog has and knows how to keep a dog away from provoking situations, or at least how to control their dog in an unpredictable situation (it&#039;s called a LEASH, people).

Blaming the shelters and rescue groups is stupid in face of irresponsible owners and breeders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly, X it&#8217;s just another example of NIMBYs with too much time on their hands.  IMO, any dog can be sweet and gentle and at the same time, any dog can attack a child or another dog.  Both are in their nature.  These are domesticated wolves, after all, some more than others.  A responsible owner knows which tendencies their dog has and knows how to keep a dog away from provoking situations, or at least how to control their dog in an unpredictable situation (it&#8217;s called a LEASH, people).</p>
<p>Blaming the shelters and rescue groups is stupid in face of irresponsible owners and breeders.</p>
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		<title>By: clark</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2004/11/20/katz-and-dogs/comment-page-1/#comment-8387</link>
		<dc:creator>clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2004 07:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Translation: the idiot woman who couldn’t keep her dog on a leash, also lacked the smarts not to try to break up a nasty dog fight [...]&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Um, it&#039;s her &lt;i&gt;pet&lt;/i&gt;, &quot;X.&quot; You’re saying wouldn’t do as much for your own pet? It has nothing to do with idiocy; rescuing your pet is something you do—or attempt to do—because it is right, regardless of consequences. I suppose cross-species loyalty does theoretically have some limits … like for instance if faced with a herd of stampeding elephants (at which point, Fifi, you’re on your own!).

A few years back I happened upon a roadside stable where two large Rottweilers were attacking an adult horse. The horse was already bleeding, bolting within the enclosure in blind panic. The horse&#039;s owner was trying to get one Rott under control, and I climbed in after the other. It was as I moved in to face the Rott that I really saw how big it was, how it could make a person a mere chew tow. It was then that the thought suddenly occurred to me, What kind of #*@% have I gotten myself into? But I took a big gulp and reached out for the Rott&#039;s collar and held it back until the situation had been defused and the horse taken to safety.

Sometimes doing what one&#039;s gut says is right, or impels one to, is different than what a distant observer would reckon safe and/or sane.

Others may differ (as I’m sure you do, X), but I don&#039;t think any animal should be taken into public, leash or not, that has it within it to dispatch a dog and then maul two people, even under the somewhat mitigating circumstances described in the cited story. As far as I’m concerned, euthanasia of such animals is not wrong or immoral—it is a public service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Translation: the idiot woman who couldn’t keep her dog on a leash, also lacked the smarts not to try to break up a nasty dog fight [...]</p></blockquote>
<p>Um, it&#8217;s her <i>pet</i>, &#8220;X.&#8221; You’re saying wouldn’t do as much for your own pet? It has nothing to do with idiocy; rescuing your pet is something you do—or attempt to do—because it is right, regardless of consequences. I suppose cross-species loyalty does theoretically have some limits … like for instance if faced with a herd of stampeding elephants (at which point, Fifi, you’re on your own!).</p>
<p>A few years back I happened upon a roadside stable where two large Rottweilers were attacking an adult horse. The horse was already bleeding, bolting within the enclosure in blind panic. The horse&#8217;s owner was trying to get one Rott under control, and I climbed in after the other. It was as I moved in to face the Rott that I really saw how big it was, how it could make a person a mere chew tow. It was then that the thought suddenly occurred to me, What kind of #*@% have I gotten myself into? But I took a big gulp and reached out for the Rott&#8217;s collar and held it back until the situation had been defused and the horse taken to safety.</p>
<p>Sometimes doing what one&#8217;s gut says is right, or impels one to, is different than what a distant observer would reckon safe and/or sane.</p>
<p>Others may differ (as I’m sure you do, X), but I don&#8217;t think any animal should be taken into public, leash or not, that has it within it to dispatch a dog and then maul two people, even under the somewhat mitigating circumstances described in the cited story. As far as I’m concerned, euthanasia of such animals is not wrong or immoral—it is a public service.</p>
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		<title>By: A Stitch in Haste</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2004/11/20/katz-and-dogs/comment-page-1/#comment-8371</link>
		<dc:creator>A Stitch in Haste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2004 05:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Breed-Specific Blogposting&lt;/strong&gt;
Slate defames Staffies and pit bulls. Diamond is not pleased.</description>
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Slate defames Staffies and pit bulls. Diamond is not pleased.</p>
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		<title>By: SayUncle :  Why I&#8217;m not a Katz person</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2004/11/20/katz-and-dogs/comment-page-1/#comment-8435</link>
		<dc:creator>SayUncle :  Why I&#8217;m not a Katz person</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] e other is that they are shitty friends.  In a righteous fisking, another pit bull blogger &lt;a href=&quot;http://xrlq.com/archives/2004/11/20/2040/katz-and-dogs/&quot;&gt;XRLQ&lt;/a&gt; points that that Katz: 	Know nothing about dogs.   	Know nothing about numbers. 	Exp [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] e other is that they are shitty friends.  In a righteous fisking, another pit bull blogger <a href="http://xrlq.com/archives/2004/11/20/2040/katz-and-dogs/">XRLQ</a> points that that Katz: 	Know nothing about dogs.   	Know nothing about numbers. 	Exp [...]</p>
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