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		<title>By: Les Jones</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2005/01/08/armed-assholes/comment-page-1/#comment-13078</link>
		<dc:creator>Les Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Jason could save himself, his wife, and everyone else a lot of trouble by getting a carry permit. 

The rest of his troubles are caused by the fact that he&#039;s often not really been following the law, despite what he claims. The first incident he had while open carrying he wasn&#039;t really open carrying. He had the gun in the cargo pocket of his pants with the butt sticking out. The next time (when the bank employee called 911) he had a ClipDraw on the gun, with the gun stuck in his waistband and the butt sticking out. People on The High Road gave him so much grief over that last May that he went out and bought a belt holster so he wouldn&#039;t look like a gangster.

During the police stop, he was at a minimum skirting the edge of the law. The gun was unloaded in a holster next to him. However, the magazine was in his lap. Either he was driving around with a magazine in his lap and didn&#039;t put it away when a policeman pulled him over, or he put the magazine in his lap when the blue lights came on. Either way, it doesn&#039;t look very good. 

Like isntapundit said, it&#039;s legal to have a gun and it&#039;s legal to be an asshole, but who wants to be around an asshole with a gun? When cops respond to a 911 call about a man with a gun, don&#039;t be an asshole. Be as calm as you can possibly be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Jason could save himself, his wife, and everyone else a lot of trouble by getting a carry permit. </p>
<p>The rest of his troubles are caused by the fact that he&#8217;s often not really been following the law, despite what he claims. The first incident he had while open carrying he wasn&#8217;t really open carrying. He had the gun in the cargo pocket of his pants with the butt sticking out. The next time (when the bank employee called 911) he had a ClipDraw on the gun, with the gun stuck in his waistband and the butt sticking out. People on The High Road gave him so much grief over that last May that he went out and bought a belt holster so he wouldn&#8217;t look like a gangster.</p>
<p>During the police stop, he was at a minimum skirting the edge of the law. The gun was unloaded in a holster next to him. However, the magazine was in his lap. Either he was driving around with a magazine in his lap and didn&#8217;t put it away when a policeman pulled him over, or he put the magazine in his lap when the blue lights came on. Either way, it doesn&#8217;t look very good. </p>
<p>Like isntapundit said, it&#8217;s legal to have a gun and it&#8217;s legal to be an asshole, but who wants to be around an asshole with a gun? When cops respond to a 911 call about a man with a gun, don&#8217;t be an asshole. Be as calm as you can possibly be.</p>
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		<title>By: Xrlq</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2005/01/08/armed-assholes/comment-page-1/#comment-13071</link>
		<dc:creator>Xrlq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to disagree, Connie.  There is a moral distinction between obeying the law and breaking it.  Sometimes you have little choice but to break the law, of course, but that&#039;s no excuse for breaking the law under other circumstances.  If you have no legal opportunity to carry, or if the only legal option is one that significantly impairs your ability to use  the gun in an emergency (e.g., by forcing you to keep the mag separate from the gun, or lock everything in a case, or whatever), that&#039;s one thing.  But if your legal and illegal options are equally useful to you (i.e., holding a permit doesn&#039;t make your concealed pistol any more useful in a pinch than it would be if you didn&#039;t hold a permit), the moral preference for obeying the law over flouting it ought to be clear. 

Just in case it&#039;s not clear, though, here&#039;s a practical reason to prefer legality over illegality.  If you carry legally, you won&#039;t have to think twice before pulling your gun whenever you encounter a situation that warrants it.  If you&#039;re carrying illegally and are personally threatened, then of course you&#039;ll use your gun; better to be tried by twelve than carried by six.  But what if the victim isn&#039;t you, a close friend or a family member, but a perfect stranger?  Or maybe even a near-stranger who recently pissed you off a little in some inconsequential way?  Do you play the hero and risk prison for carrying, or do you protect your own skin, act horrified, and pretend to be unarmed?  Better to avoid this dilemma entirely by getting a permit in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to disagree, Connie.  There is a moral distinction between obeying the law and breaking it.  Sometimes you have little choice but to break the law, of course, but that&#8217;s no excuse for breaking the law under other circumstances.  If you have no legal opportunity to carry, or if the only legal option is one that significantly impairs your ability to use  the gun in an emergency (e.g., by forcing you to keep the mag separate from the gun, or lock everything in a case, or whatever), that&#8217;s one thing.  But if your legal and illegal options are equally useful to you (i.e., holding a permit doesn&#8217;t make your concealed pistol any more useful in a pinch than it would be if you didn&#8217;t hold a permit), the moral preference for obeying the law over flouting it ought to be clear. </p>
<p>Just in case it&#8217;s not clear, though, here&#8217;s a practical reason to prefer legality over illegality.  If you carry legally, you won&#8217;t have to think twice before pulling your gun whenever you encounter a situation that warrants it.  If you&#8217;re carrying illegally and are personally threatened, then of course you&#8217;ll use your gun; better to be tried by twelve than carried by six.  But what if the victim isn&#8217;t you, a close friend or a family member, but a perfect stranger?  Or maybe even a near-stranger who recently pissed you off a little in some inconsequential way?  Do you play the hero and risk prison for carrying, or do you protect your own skin, act horrified, and pretend to be unarmed?  Better to avoid this dilemma entirely by getting a permit in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Sub Cultro</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2005/01/08/armed-assholes/comment-page-1/#comment-13070</link>
		<dc:creator>Sub Cultro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2005 07:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Progress on Guns nears&lt;/strong&gt;
What I am saying is that carrying a gun made me a better citizen ... Stupid, selfish, small-mined people make everything more dificult, including the gun deabte. The mysterious Xrlq has it right, but follow her link to Connie Du Toit&#039;s take on the ma...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Progress on Guns nears</strong><br />
What I am saying is that carrying a gun made me a better citizen &#8230; Stupid, selfish, small-mined people make everything more dificult, including the gun deabte. The mysterious Xrlq has it right, but follow her link to Connie Du Toit&#8217;s take on the ma&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs. du Toit</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2005/01/08/armed-assholes/comment-page-1/#comment-13068</link>
		<dc:creator>Mrs. du Toit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just for the record, I never said that anyone (specifics omitted intentionally) that anyone should get a permit (for anything) if they don&#039;t want to.  If they want to carry illegally or legally, it makes no difference.

What DOES make a difference is whether or not you accept that there are consequences, repercussions, or results for whatever decision you make.

If someone is practicing open carry in an area where it is not common, the police are not known for being up to speed on the law, then you should not be surprised when the police frequently stop you and ask questions.  In fact, you should be prepared for it and perhaps (just to make your life easier) carry a copy of the relevant laws that prove that what you are doing is illegal.  Before handing it to the cop, saying something like, &quot;Officer, I&#039;m a law abiding citizen.  I recognize that you may not have gotten the word or there is some confusion on this point, but since I&#039;m a stubborn fool and feel it is not only my right, but my duty to exercise open carry, here is a copy of the laws that allow me to do this.  I understand and respect your authority to verify that I am in accordance with the law, and don&#039;t want any trouble.&quot;

You&#039;d think after a few experiences you&#039;d sort of have the language down and could turn a confrontational situation into a win-win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for the record, I never said that anyone (specifics omitted intentionally) that anyone should get a permit (for anything) if they don&#8217;t want to.  If they want to carry illegally or legally, it makes no difference.</p>
<p>What DOES make a difference is whether or not you accept that there are consequences, repercussions, or results for whatever decision you make.</p>
<p>If someone is practicing open carry in an area where it is not common, the police are not known for being up to speed on the law, then you should not be surprised when the police frequently stop you and ask questions.  In fact, you should be prepared for it and perhaps (just to make your life easier) carry a copy of the relevant laws that prove that what you are doing is illegal.  Before handing it to the cop, saying something like, &#8220;Officer, I&#8217;m a law abiding citizen.  I recognize that you may not have gotten the word or there is some confusion on this point, but since I&#8217;m a stubborn fool and feel it is not only my right, but my duty to exercise open carry, here is a copy of the laws that allow me to do this.  I understand and respect your authority to verify that I am in accordance with the law, and don&#8217;t want any trouble.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;d think after a few experiences you&#8217;d sort of have the language down and could turn a confrontational situation into a win-win.</p>
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		<title>By: SayUncle</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2005/01/08/armed-assholes/comment-page-1/#comment-13067</link>
		<dc:creator>SayUncle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Per his account, he was trying to obey gun laws.  In fact, he went in to painstaking detail about how he went out his way to comply with the law (of course, why he didn&#039;t comply by getting a permit I don&#039;t know).

You shouldn&#039;t be arrested for being a dick.  Otherwise, the prisons would be more full.  Jason&#039;s behavior does not excuse the police.  I expect people to be assholes but the police should know better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Per his account, he was trying to obey gun laws.  In fact, he went in to painstaking detail about how he went out his way to comply with the law (of course, why he didn&#8217;t comply by getting a permit I don&#8217;t know).</p>
<p>You shouldn&#8217;t be arrested for being a dick.  Otherwise, the prisons would be more full.  Jason&#8217;s behavior does not excuse the police.  I expect people to be assholes but the police should know better.</p>
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		<title>By: See-Dubya</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2005/01/08/armed-assholes/comment-page-1/#comment-13066</link>
		<dc:creator>See-Dubya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are always ambassadors to the world.  Always.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are always ambassadors to the world.  Always.</p>
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		<title>By: Xrlq</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2005/01/08/armed-assholes/comment-page-1/#comment-13065</link>
		<dc:creator>Xrlq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2005 03:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sharp: that was my point, really.  I&#039;ve only read Jason&#039;s side of the story, too, nut I still think he was out of line.  If the cops blogged their version somewhere, I have little doubt he would end up looking even worse.

Uncle: you had me fooled with &quot;Jason and his wife detail what happens when you try to obey gun laws.&quot;  If that wasn&#039;t taking Jason&#039;s side of the debate, it sure sounded like it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharp: that was my point, really.  I&#8217;ve only read Jason&#8217;s side of the story, too, nut I still think he was out of line.  If the cops blogged their version somewhere, I have little doubt he would end up looking even worse.</p>
<p>Uncle: you had me fooled with &#8220;Jason and his wife detail what happens when you try to obey gun laws.&#8221;  If that wasn&#8217;t taking Jason&#8217;s side of the debate, it sure sounded like it.</p>
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		<title>By: SayUncle</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2005/01/08/armed-assholes/comment-page-1/#comment-13061</link>
		<dc:creator>SayUncle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2005 14:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same here.  I was commenting on the alleged behavior of the cop and not Fishorman&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same here.  I was commenting on the alleged behavior of the cop and not Fishorman&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharp as a Marble</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2005/01/08/armed-assholes/comment-page-1/#comment-13060</link>
		<dc:creator>Sharp as a Marble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2005 12:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t jump to his defense. If you read my whole post you&#039;d have seen that I specifically stated that &quot;I admit, this isn&#039;t both sides of the story and I&#039;m taking what this story says at face value&quot;. 

I know I was only getting his side and that there was a lot more than met the eyes. His story isn&#039;t what I worried about, but rather the whole gun control issue. That&#039;s all.

The more I read on that guy the more I realized he seemed to be quite a dick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t jump to his defense. If you read my whole post you&#8217;d have seen that I specifically stated that &#8220;I admit, this isn&#8217;t both sides of the story and I&#8217;m taking what this story says at face value&#8221;. </p>
<p>I know I was only getting his side and that there was a lot more than met the eyes. His story isn&#8217;t what I worried about, but rather the whole gun control issue. That&#8217;s all.</p>
<p>The more I read on that guy the more I realized he seemed to be quite a dick.</p>
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		<title>By: Xrlq</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xrlq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2005 01:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not confusing anything with anything else.  This post is about Jason&#039;s grandstanding, not about whether the police were right or wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not confusing anything with anything else.  This post is about Jason&#8217;s grandstanding, not about whether the police were right or wrong.</p>
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