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		<title>By: Xrlq</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2005/05/07/advantage-malkin/comment-page-1/#comment-16032</link>
		<dc:creator>Xrlq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2005 05:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good idea, but I&#039;m pretty sure I&#039;m banned from his site also.</description>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2005/05/07/advantage-malkin/comment-page-1/#comment-16026</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2005 04:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guess I&#039;m a bit late to this coversation, but I certianly enjoyed the commentary.

Muller banned me from his site after I asked if he was receiving and taxpayer dollars courtesy of the &quot;Civil Liberties Public Education Fund&quot;. I wanted to know because I don&#039;t see how a legitamate scholar could accept taxpayer dollars that have been legislated to &quot;educate the public&quot; (a horror story in itself) on one side of an issue and then expect to be taken seriously. It&#039;s kind of like the booze industry financing a study the concluded binge drinking is healthy.

So anyway, then I find at this site...

http://www.library.ca.gov/cclpep/index.cfm#admin

Muller&#039;s name pops up as a $$$$ beneficiary in a couple of places, namely...

&quot;Dr. Eric L. Muller 
Chapel Hill, North Carolina
&quot;LOYAL PROTEST: JAPANESE AMERICAN DRAFT RESISTERS IN THE FEDERAL COURTS&quot;

This project has two related components: (1) the completion of a book chronicling the experience of the Nisei draft resisters of World War II and their encounters with the federal criminal justice system, and (2) a public lecture tour in California to share the results of the research on the Nisei draft resisters with interested organizations and groups in California. &quot;

...and...

&quot;Eric Muller
University of North Carolina School of Law
Chapel Hill, North Carolina 

Project Name: Judgments Judged and Wrongs Remembered: Examining the Japanese American Civil Liberties Cases of World War II on Their 60th Anniversary&quot;

So I question Muller if he&#039;s feeding at the reparations trough, he indignantly replies &quot;never&quot;, bans me from his site and then I find this information that exposes him as a fraud and a liar....

If you haven&#039;t also been banned from Muller&#039;s site, perhaps you may be inclined to give him a visit at his latest post and let him know he is a fraud and a liar.

Cheers!

This project is a conference to be held at the Japanese American National Museum commemorating the 60 th anniversary of the various legal cases on Japanese American civil liberties from World War II.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guess I&#8217;m a bit late to this coversation, but I certianly enjoyed the commentary.</p>
<p>Muller banned me from his site after I asked if he was receiving and taxpayer dollars courtesy of the &#8220;Civil Liberties Public Education Fund&#8221;. I wanted to know because I don&#8217;t see how a legitamate scholar could accept taxpayer dollars that have been legislated to &#8220;educate the public&#8221; (a horror story in itself) on one side of an issue and then expect to be taken seriously. It&#8217;s kind of like the booze industry financing a study the concluded binge drinking is healthy.</p>
<p>So anyway, then I find at this site&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.library.ca.gov/cclpep/index.cfm#admin" rel="nofollow">http://www.library.ca.gov/cclpep/index.cfm#admin</a></p>
<p>Muller&#8217;s name pops up as a $$$$ beneficiary in a couple of places, namely&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Dr. Eric L. Muller<br />
Chapel Hill, North Carolina<br />
&#8220;LOYAL PROTEST: JAPANESE AMERICAN DRAFT RESISTERS IN THE FEDERAL COURTS&#8221;</p>
<p>This project has two related components: (1) the completion of a book chronicling the experience of the Nisei draft resisters of World War II and their encounters with the federal criminal justice system, and (2) a public lecture tour in California to share the results of the research on the Nisei draft resisters with interested organizations and groups in California. &#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;and&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Eric Muller<br />
University of North Carolina School of Law<br />
Chapel Hill, North Carolina </p>
<p>Project Name: Judgments Judged and Wrongs Remembered: Examining the Japanese American Civil Liberties Cases of World War II on Their 60th Anniversary&#8221;</p>
<p>So I question Muller if he&#8217;s feeding at the reparations trough, he indignantly replies &#8220;never&#8221;, bans me from his site and then I find this information that exposes him as a fraud and a liar&#8230;.</p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t also been banned from Muller&#8217;s site, perhaps you may be inclined to give him a visit at his latest post and let him know he is a fraud and a liar.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
<p>This project is a conference to be held at the Japanese American National Museum commemorating the 60 th anniversary of the various legal cases on Japanese American civil liberties from World War II.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Cross</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2005/05/07/advantage-malkin/comment-page-1/#comment-15636</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Cross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2005 20:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough, here&#039;s a better and more recent case:

Rosenberger v. Rector &amp; Visitors of the Univ. of Va., 515 U.S. 819.

Granted it was a Kennedy opinion, but it was a maj. opinion (w/ Rehquist, Thomas, Scalia, and O&#039;Connor joining)

Takeaway point:

&lt;em&gt;The necessities of confining a forum to the limited and legitimate purposes for which it was created may justify the State in reserving it for certain groups or for the discussion of  certain topics.  Once it has opened a limited forum, however, the State must respect the lawful boundaries it has itself set. The State may not exclude speech where its distinction is not &quot;reasonable in light of the purpose served by the forum,&quot; nor may it discriminate against speech on the basis of its viewpoint. 

Thus, in determining whether the State is acting to preserve the limits of the forum it has created so that the exclusion of a class of speech is legitimate, we have observed a distinction between, on the one hand, content discrimination, which may be permissible if it preserves the purposes of that limited forum, and, on the other hand, viewpoint discrimination, which is presumed impermissible when directed against speech   otherwise within the forum&#039;s limitations.&lt;/em&gt;

829-830, citations omitted.

Basically, if the gov&#039;t opens it up to the expression of some views, then it generally can&#039;t discriminate based upon viewpoint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough, here&#8217;s a better and more recent case:</p>
<p>Rosenberger v. Rector &amp; Visitors of the Univ. of Va., 515 U.S. 819.</p>
<p>Granted it was a Kennedy opinion, but it was a maj. opinion (w/ Rehquist, Thomas, Scalia, and O&#8217;Connor joining)</p>
<p>Takeaway point:</p>
<p><em>The necessities of confining a forum to the limited and legitimate purposes for which it was created may justify the State in reserving it for certain groups or for the discussion of  certain topics.  Once it has opened a limited forum, however, the State must respect the lawful boundaries it has itself set. The State may not exclude speech where its distinction is not &#8220;reasonable in light of the purpose served by the forum,&#8221; nor may it discriminate against speech on the basis of its viewpoint. </p>
<p>Thus, in determining whether the State is acting to preserve the limits of the forum it has created so that the exclusion of a class of speech is legitimate, we have observed a distinction between, on the one hand, content discrimination, which may be permissible if it preserves the purposes of that limited forum, and, on the other hand, viewpoint discrimination, which is presumed impermissible when directed against speech   otherwise within the forum&#8217;s limitations.</em></p>
<p>829-830, citations omitted.</p>
<p>Basically, if the gov&#8217;t opens it up to the expression of some views, then it generally can&#8217;t discriminate based upon viewpoint.</p>
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		<title>By: Xrlq</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2005/05/07/advantage-malkin/comment-page-1/#comment-15626</link>
		<dc:creator>Xrlq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2005 01:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve only skimmed the case so far, but added a link to your comment so anyone else who has the time can read it more carefully.  Note that there is no majority opinion in this case, so I&#039;m not sure what its precedent is, particularly since Justices Rehnquist and O&#039;Connor were among the dissenters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve only skimmed the case so far, but added a link to your comment so anyone else who has the time can read it more carefully.  Note that there is no majority opinion in this case, so I&#8217;m not sure what its precedent is, particularly since Justices Rehnquist and O&#8217;Connor were among the dissenters.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Cross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Cross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2005 19:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I refer to my First Amendment Survey outline--content based regulations (of which viewpoint discrimination is one) are subject to strict scrutiny.

So yeah, while it wouldn&#039;t necessarily be unconstitutional, the gov&#039;t would have to make the strong case. 

In a related context, a public school prohibit certain books from its library, provided they aren&#039;t do so based on the particular viewpoint of the books. &lt;a href=&quot;http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=case&amp;court=us&amp;vol=457&amp;page=853&quot;&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Bd. of Educ. v. Pico,&lt;/cite&gt; 457 U.S. 853 (1982).&lt;/a&gt;

There may be an issue re: the &quot;public&quot; nature of Manzanar--but it presumably is public in SOME respect since it&#039;s administered by the Park Service--and accordingly, any regs must be content neutral. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I refer to my First Amendment Survey outline&#8211;content based regulations (of which viewpoint discrimination is one) are subject to strict scrutiny.</p>
<p>So yeah, while it wouldn&#8217;t necessarily be unconstitutional, the gov&#8217;t would have to make the strong case. </p>
<p>In a related context, a public school prohibit certain books from its library, provided they aren&#8217;t do so based on the particular viewpoint of the books. <a href="http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=case&#038;court=us&#038;vol=457&#038;page=853"><cite>Bd. of Educ. v. Pico,</cite> 457 U.S. 853 (1982).</a></p>
<p>There may be an issue re: the &#8220;public&#8221; nature of Manzanar&#8211;but it presumably is public in SOME respect since it&#8217;s administered by the Park Service&#8211;and accordingly, any regs must be content neutral.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveMG</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2005/05/07/advantage-malkin/comment-page-1/#comment-15613</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveMG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2005 16:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps an unfair comment but hell this is the internet.

It seems to me that Prof. Muller has a lot of &quot;emotional involvement&quot; in this issue and is unwilling or incapable to consider contrary views. I know, a bit of psychobabble on my part and when one engages in such tactics the statement can never be proven false (or true).

Malkin has compiled a great deal of interesting information that needs to be included in our history of this terrible episode.

The internment was wrong, a terrible injustice. But it&#039;s much more complicated than I think Muller seems (note the qualifer) to portray it, e.g., simply racism. Of course, racism was a major factor; but not the only consideration.

SMG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps an unfair comment but hell this is the internet.</p>
<p>It seems to me that Prof. Muller has a lot of &#8220;emotional involvement&#8221; in this issue and is unwilling or incapable to consider contrary views. I know, a bit of psychobabble on my part and when one engages in such tactics the statement can never be proven false (or true).</p>
<p>Malkin has compiled a great deal of interesting information that needs to be included in our history of this terrible episode.</p>
<p>The internment was wrong, a terrible injustice. But it&#8217;s much more complicated than I think Muller seems (note the qualifer) to portray it, e.g., simply racism. Of course, racism was a major factor; but not the only consideration.</p>
<p>SMG</p>
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		<title>By: Patterico</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patterico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2005 06:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t make my way through these debates.  I started reading &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.isthatlegal.org/Muller_and_Robinson_on_Malkin.html#IDOI%201&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Muller&#039;s criticism&lt;/a&gt;, but couldn&#039;t get past the &quot;Why didn&#039;t I get a review copy?&quot; and &quot;How did she write it so fast?&quot; arguments.  You&#039;d think that, if he had a substantive argument, he&#039;d put it up top.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t make my way through these debates.  I started reading <a href="http://www.isthatlegal.org/Muller_and_Robinson_on_Malkin.html#IDOI%201" rel="nofollow">Muller&#8217;s criticism</a>, but couldn&#8217;t get past the &#8220;Why didn&#8217;t I get a review copy?&#8221; and &#8220;How did she write it so fast?&#8221; arguments.  You&#8217;d think that, if he had a substantive argument, he&#8217;d put it up top.</p>
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		<title>By: Xrlq</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xrlq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2005 06:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, but that doesn&#039;t mean it would be unconstitutional.  Having the Park Service sell only books that represent the official views of the U.S. Government would probably be a dumb idea, but AFAIK it would be constiutional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, but that doesn&#8217;t mean it would be unconstitutional.  Having the Park Service sell only books that represent the official views of the U.S. Government would probably be a dumb idea, but AFAIK it would be constiutional.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Cross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Cross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2005 04:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But if the Park DOES choose to carry books, wouldn&#039;t banning Malkin&#039;s constitute viewpoint discrimination?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But if the Park DOES choose to carry books, wouldn&#8217;t banning Malkin&#8217;s constitute viewpoint discrimination?</p>
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		<title>By: Xrlq</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2005/05/07/advantage-malkin/comment-page-1/#comment-15600</link>
		<dc:creator>Xrlq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2005 00:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Flap said.  The Park Service has no First Amendment obligation to carry any books, and Muller, a pravate citizen, has no First Amendment obligations at all.  Nevertheless, both sides&#039; behavior make it clear that one of them appreciuates the &lt;em&gt;spirit &lt;/em&gt;of the First Amendment, while the other does not. I&#039;ve revised the last sentence accordingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Flap said.  The Park Service has no First Amendment obligation to carry any books, and Muller, a pravate citizen, has no First Amendment obligations at all.  Nevertheless, both sides&#8217; behavior make it clear that one of them appreciuates the <em>spirit </em>of the First Amendment, while the other does not. I&#8217;ve revised the last sentence accordingly.</p>
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