Oakland Justice?
Via Drudge, if this apparent snuff filmextreme beating video [caution: do I really have to caution you about a film I already said looks like a snuff film?] is real, I think it’s time we seriously consider wiping Oakland off the map. Given that this isn’t going to happen, perhaps one of you death penalty opponents can explain to me why anyone appearing in the video, including the guy who made it (but excluding the victim, obviously), should be breathing.
UPDATE: Also via Drudge, Oakland cops are unsure about the incident, or if it even took place in Oakland.
UPDATE x2: Cops have determined that it probably did indeed occur in Oakland, but not recently. It was lifted from DVD released in 2002, titled “World’s Wildest Street Fights Volume 1,” and appears to have occurred in a parking lot near the Ice Center on 18th Street, where several other crimes, including at least one homicide, have been known to occur. Cops still don’t know who the victim was, whether she survived the attack, or if so, the extent of her injuries. If you know anything about her call the Oakland P.D. at (510) 238-3821.
UPDATE x3: The victim, who does not wish to be identified, has contacted the police.
August 22nd, 2005 at 4:25 pm
one of you death penalty opponents can explain to me why anyone appearing in the video, including the guy who made it, should be breathing.
Because these people are still breathing.
August 22nd, 2005 at 4:36 pm
How many of “these people” were caught on videotape or, worse, willingly allowed themselves to be taped in the act?
August 22nd, 2005 at 5:00 pm
You don’t end up on death row if you’re a saint. Even if those people aren’t convictable of the crime they’re in for, they almost certainly did something else I wouldn’t mind seeing them executed for.
August 22nd, 2005 at 6:14 pm
X…scary as it sounds, we might be on the verge of agreeing on something. If there is a law that states that someone caught on tape killing someone should get the death penalty while anyone with less evidence than that should get life without parole, then I’d support it.
My problem with the death penalty is simply that mistakes do happen and I wouldn’t want to see an innocent person die..and our system is particularly bad when someone within 48 hours of being executed is exonerated by a grad student doing a school project.
August 22nd, 2005 at 6:25 pm
Who was exonerated within 48 hours of execution?
August 22nd, 2005 at 7:43 pm
Anthony Porter
August 23rd, 2005 at 8:51 am
Regardless of whether it did or didn’t happen in Oakland, it clearly happened to someone, somewhere. And it’s hideous! At least with death penalty convictions, there are appeals to be had. With “mob justice,” there’s not.
August 23rd, 2005 at 2:08 pm
It probably did, although I don’t completely rule out the possibility that it was a hoax.
August 23rd, 2005 at 10:41 pm
I can’t watch it. Did they kill her?
August 23rd, 2005 at 11:47 pm
“Did they kill her?”
You can’t tell from the video and I have read both yes and no. Regardless, it is horrific.
August 23rd, 2005 at 11:57 pm
I just want to add that there are obviously, from the film scene, at least a hundred people who watched this as it happened. Kudos to Xrlq for posting a call line for any of them with a conscience. By now there should be some safe separation between the perps and the witnesses, although I have to sympathize somewaht with those who were too scared to come forward years ago. Those who would have wanted to help back then could properly have felt that their future as a witness was unfolding before their horrified eyes.
As for the dozens of ‘boys and girls’ who administered the beating…..
August 25th, 2005 at 10:58 pm
Just appalling. 10 thugs attacking a defenseless woman and nobody has any integrity worth a cent to do something. It’s good the gang scum went to jail based on this woman’s testimony but a tragedy that she had to pay with her life and die in such a horrible way.
August 28th, 2005 at 11:02 pm
is she alive??????????
August 28th, 2005 at 11:08 pm
Apparently, so. I’m working on a follow-up entry that will explain in more detail.
September 11th, 2005 at 10:57 pm
Manish, you moron:
“The reprieve was granted not out of concern that Porter might be innocent but solely because he had tested so low on an IQ test that the court was not sure he could comprehend what was about to happen to him, or why.”
Also, 50 > 48.
September 12th, 2005 at 6:16 am
Sorry, on second thought “moron” was unnecessary and rude; but you actually hurt your case by misstating the facts. The stay wasn’t granted for reasons of innocence, as you suggested — it just gave people the chance to investigate those claims.
July 10th, 2006 at 4:32 pm
This woman who got beat because she “ratted” on some people. She must be very innocent mined to help the police and then hang out in a area where so many people a anger with her. It may be that she was not aware that everyone knew. It may also be that the driver of the car intended to bring her there so she would get a beating. I cannot understand why so many people who hate her so much. I have se been many fights but never seen one like this. The man who punches her on the side hard is the worst. She could hard walk before this but he strike the blow that knocks her to the ground and then you can hear her screaming crying for help. No one makes effort to calm the situation. What goes around comes around. I not a believer in god but lets hope someone somewhere is watching. Imagine if that girl was you sister and she informed the police to protect you. All those in the video make me sick. If you wanna have a fight then pick someone who has the chance to fight back.
November 30th, 2006 at 1:34 pm
The woman survived the beating, but her face is disfigured, she lost sight in one eye, sustained some brain damage, and her right hand shakes constantly. She had to undergo three separate surgeries to reconstruct her face and she has 18 titanium plates and numerous screws holding her facial bones together, esp. around her left eye socket which was basically destroyed. I am her cousin and she does not want to be identified, so I will respect her wishes.
One thing is false, she did not snitch on anybody. She thinks she was attacked because she was a white woman in the company of a black man. The black man used to date one of her attackers, who is the first woman you can see beating her at the beginning of the video.
August 16th, 2007 at 8:46 pm
Too bad we cant pour gas on them and watch them burn to death. The people who watched and did nothing should die painfully as well. If you dont have the balls to stand up and try to do something, I totally understand that, but then walk away and phone the cops… dont stand there and watch. If you do… you are an EQUAL PERPETRATOR to the ones commiting the act in question.
I appreciate the update… I saw the video a while ago, and wondered if the pieces of shit are still alive and free.
I openly and strongly encourage anybody who runs into any of these people to promptly slaughter them. Id even put up a reward for their heads except Im between paychecks.
August 16th, 2007 at 9:01 pm
“Given that this isn’t going to happen, perhaps one of you death penalty opponents can explain to me why anyone appearing in the video, including the guy who made it (but excluding the victim, obviously), should be breathing.”
Hey… I hope these people have the most painfull and excrutiating deaths imaginable. They deserve it 1000 times over.
But I dont support the death penalty because theres nobody competent to administer it. Maybe once the government can balance a budget or repair the potholes in the road in front of my house, then Ill support them being the arbitrars of life and death.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:02 am
Oh, c’mon. If the government is “incompetent” to carry out the death penalty, it’s only because they don’t carry it out anywhere near often enough. It’s not as though they have a track record of executing scores of people who shouldn’t be executed.