Others wiser than I have often said, Never wrestle with a douche, it wastes your time, annoys the douche, and leaves you feeling disturbingly “fresh.” Being less wise than them, by definition, I’m going to go against my better judgment and take on the Biggest Douche in the Blogosphere one last time before I MoveOn. Why, you might ask? One reason, and one reason only: far too many on the left side of the blogosphere actually seem to admire the guy, and quote him as though he were a credible source. His widely quoted attack on right wing bloggers for attacking that psycho Deb Frisch is as good a post as any to establish that he is not.
I should warn you upfront that this post is going to be an extremely tedious read. If, after reading Patterico’s rebuttal you are already convinced that Glenn is a douche, then it may not be worth your while reading this post to examine just how many different angles of douchitude he has exhibited in the post. If, on the other hand, you’re like Greenwald’s fawn, Q&O commenter Mona, who insists that apart from one itsy bitsy boo-boo about Patterico, Greenwald’s crap is ice cream, then it behooves you to read it. Mona writes:
My view is that Greenwald’s post is correct, but contains one example that is not. And that is my view whether folks here announce him decimated, or folks there crown him Pope.
Did I say “apart from one itsy bitsy boo-boo?” Actually, later in that same thread she attempted to wish even that error away, arguing that a 2 1/2 year old link by a then-obscure blogger makes Greenwald’s identified boner fake but accurate:
But a commenter at Greenwald’s just posted some items from your blog that cause me to question whether I was a tad quick in assuming you’d been wronged. You are familiar with Misha; you welcomed him to your own place, and described his blog as great.
Yeah, and the same frickin’ post also describes yours truly as “a luminary,” so take that for whatever it’s worth. Mona continues:
You did that while referencing — with no criticism and a hearty welcome — Misha’s eliminationist rhetoric about judges stated in your own comments section.
Apparently, subtlety is lost on Mona, who took Patterico’s reference to “the always controversial Emperor Misha I” as … what, exactly? A backhanded compliment? Memo to Mona: when people respond to your brilliant insights by rolling their eyes and saying “O……kay,” that doesn’t really mean they are “okay” with what you just said. It means they are being polite. Patterico the power-blogger probably wouldn’t be that polite nowadays, but as a then-obscure blogger who was barely cutting his teeth, he was a bit of a wimp toward other, already established bloggers like Misha. So what? Even if he hadn’t distanced himself from Misha’s goofy rhetoric at all, WTF has any of that to do with his more recent criticism of Frisch’s psychotic ramblings?
Adding a final dose of irony, Mona topped off her rant with this:
In light of the foregoing, I’m not so sure you are in a good position to be leveling charges of “dishonesty” at Greenwald.
O-kay. Er… I mean … that’s the word, coming from the always controversial Mona.
Of course, if Mona were just one random commenter, pointing out that Greenwald’ post is garbage from top to bottom might not be a worthwhile endeavor. Unfortunately, she’s far from his only sycophant. TGirsch, a normally sensible if left-wing blogger quoted him on this very blog, as a supposed rebuttal to a post of mine that said nothing about Frisch’s politics at all, apart from my use of the category “Liberal Morons” to file it. Even Jon Henke, no moonbat he, offers this pig a healthy dose of lipstick. So all in all, Greenwald gets a hell of a lot more traction than your average douche does, even after his most obvious error – attacking Patterico for not criticizing the likes of Ann Coulter – had been exposed. Thus, it’s worth wading through his entire post just to see how much of his ramblings hold up. Short answer: not much. Longer answer: some right-wingers support the death penalty, at least one right-winger has Misha on his blogroll but failed to condemn his hyperbolic rhetoric within the permissible 10 hour timeframe, and most (but not all) of Greenwald’s links actually point to other web sites.
Proceed at your own risk.
Prominent right-wing blogger today calls for the murder of Supreme Court Justices – the Right fails to condemn it
That sounds pretty damning, until you consider that (1) no one called for the murder of Supreme Court Justices, (2) “the right” is not a religion, political party or any other entity worthy of being capitalized, (3) no one had any duty to reply to Misha’s rhetoric, and therefore cannot be reasonably said to have “failed” to condemn it if they haven’t discussed it at all, and (4) numerous right-wing bloggers have in fact condemned it. Apart from those four minor details, however, the title is spot-on.
If your only source for news was [sic, doesn’t anybody use the friggin’ subjunctive anymore?!] reading right-wing blogs, you would have thought that the most significant world event in the last few days was that some crazy woman who nobody ever heard of before (someone by the name of “Deb Frisch”)
Actually, a number of prominent right wing bloggers had heard of her before, as she’s been a career troll for years now. I’ll take Glenn’s word that she never commented on his site, but question the logic of “I’ve never heard of X, therefore, no one has ever heard of X.”
Really! Then how come not one of those three links point to the site in question? Wouldn’t ya think that if his venue were truly deranged and/or disturbed, this could be proven by linking to him directly rather than to a site that is sadly, obsessed with Goldstein himself? In any event, anyone who can argue with a straight face that Xrlq Goldstein’s site is as deranged or psychosexually disturbed as Frisch’s vile comments, let alone the other crap that can be found elsewhere on the Internet, is either an uncommonly bad liar, or a newbie who has never actually used Al Gore’s Internets.
Virtually every right-wing blogger spent the weekend focused on this solemn and grave matter, milking it for all it was worth.
Virtually every one? Really! Let’s try testing that theory. Tracking down “virtually every right-wing blogger” is a tall order, so let’s try limiting ourselves to the Old Dominion Blogger Alliance, right-wing bloggers all, in the order in which they appear on my sidebar. Commonwealth Conservative? Nothing on Frisch. One Man’s Trash? Nada. SW Virginia Law Blog? Nope. Rich Sincere? Not as such. Reason and Revolution? “Frisch” out of that, sorry. Q&O? Wowee, two hits this time. No, wait – both entries are responses to Greenwald’s post. How many were there at the time Greenwald weighed in? None.
OK, this is getting ridiculous. Seeing as virtually every right-wing blogger was obsessed with Deb Frisch last weekend, somebody in this right-wing alliance has got to have said something. I’ll bet The Not So Daily Me weighed in, eh? No, sorry. Cat House Chat? Surely anyone with a name so “catty” as that would be on Deb Frisch like white on rice. What sayeth the kitty? Meeee–no, though she does have a thing or two to say about Misha, whose rhetoric Greenwald will next accuse conservatives of ignoring. More on that later.
OK, screw Virginia. No, not really; I love Virginia, and am grateful to the ODBA for welcoming me into their club, but c’mon, people, get with the program. Didn’t y’all know that all real right wing bloggers are supposed to obsess about Deb Frisch? Did Rove’s memo to the dextrosphere manage to bypass this commonwealth completely? I suppose I could continue down the blogroll but I’m getting bored, so instead let’s head ewst to check with the granddaddy of them all non-liberal bloggers, Glenn Non-Greenwald. His Frisch posts consisted of (1) a note about the denial of service attacks on Goldstein’s blog (which, for those who obtain all their news from Greenland, never happened), (2) a link to a lame article about the controversy itself, and (3) a brief quote from Jeff Goldstein to alert everyone that the site was back up. Search the Puppy Blender’s archives for “Frisch,” and those three entries are all you’ll find. Search it for “Greenwald,” and you’ll get 11.
In other words, when Greenwald said “virtually every right-wing blogger,” he meant “a few right-wing bloggers here and there.” Apparently, this guy’s big on hyperbole, at least when it’s his own hyperbole, and not that of some right-winger facetiously calling for mass executions of judges. Other people’s shit stinks, don’t you know.
Many implied that this unknown commenter was some sort of towering figure of great significance among liberals, and exploited the drama to argue that the “Left” must approve of these comments because they didn’t denounce the comments enough times or with enough vigor.
Seeing as Greenwald linked to 0 bloggers who implied that Deborah Frisch was some sort of towering figure of great significance among liberals, I can only assume that by “many” he meant “none.” Or perhaps by “implied that this unknown commenter was some sort of towering figure of great significance among liberals” he meant “didn’t actually come out and say this unknown-to-our-Douche-In-Chief commenter was not a towering figure of great significance among liberals,” in which case “many” could mean one – Confederate Yankee. And even he improved his argument as he went along; while starting off on the wrong foot with the inapt reference to crickets chirping, he later acknowledged the appropriate condemnations from NewsHog and Jeralyn Merritt, while regretting that “they and other smaller liberal bloggers with similar sentiments made up 50% or less of those commenting from their side,” which is hardly the same thing as complaining about the fact that countless liberal bloggers declined to weigh in on the matter at all. Unfortunately, Greenwald’s updates and subsequent posts betray no analogous learning curve.
The blogger Misha of the blog Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler is one of the most linked-to and popular bloggers in the right-wing blogosphere. He’s the 42nd most linked-to blogger on the Internet, and he is in the blogroll of scores of right-wing bloggers, such as Michelle Malkin and Captian’s Quarters Blog [bad link in Greenwald’s original].
Yeah, and so what? For a while there, Bill Quick and I weren’t exactly on speaking terms, but we were still on each other’s blogrolls. Even the ultimate cupid stunt, Debbie Schlussel, remains on mine, albeit identified as such. Judging by his own blogroll, which he prefaces with the phrase “Blogs I Read” (a representation very few bloggers would ever make about their blogrolls) does Greenwald really agree to be held personally responsible for condemning every arguably offensive statement ever made by Andrea Harris, Andrew Sullivan, Atrios, “Reason,” National Review, John Cole, or any of Kevin Drum’s commenters, to name just a few of the most obvious examples?
He wrote a post today discussing the Supreme Court’s decision in Hamdan and here is what he said:
“Of course, this is the same Supreme Court that earlier decided in Kelo that private property rights only matter as long as a private company doesn’t offer a better deal, above or below the table, to local authorities, so one shouldn’t really be surprised. The unelected, black-robed tyrants have a long history of not giving a fig about the Constitution if they don’t like what it says, not to mention a long tradition of usurping the powers of the legislative and executive branch by ruling by judicial fiat. . . .
Try doing anything to those mutilating darlings of the Supremes in order to extract life-saving intel from them, and then wait for the Supreme Whores to decide that you were “humiliating” them in doing so.
Five ropes, five robes, five trees.
Some assembly required.“
[Emphasis added by Greenwald, who declined to acknowledge as much.]
OK, so this unemployed (unemployable? – h/t Dan Riehl) lawyer who once represented scum of the earth Matthew Hale on quasi-First Amendment grounds now objects to people using overheated rhetoric. OK, fine. Criticize the Rottweiler, then, that’s fine, but let’s try to be remotely consistent, mmkay?
He’s advocating that the five Supreme Court Justices in the Hamdan majority be hanged from the neck until they’re dead.
Like hell he is. First, he never said anything about them dying; Greenwald simply made that part up. For all we know, maybe the Rottweiler just wants to hang them from the neck until they say uncle, then let them go if they promise to be good boys and girls from now on. Second, and more importantly, has anyone friggin’ heard of hyperbole?! Oh yes, some then-employed attorney named Glenn Greenwald did, while writing of one of his most infamous clients, white supremacist / would-be lawyer / convicted solicitor of murder Matthew Hale:
“They are probably trying to take things he said along the lines of political advocacy and turn it into a crime,” Mr. Greenwald said. “The F.B.I. may have interpreted this protected speech as a threat against a federal judge, but it’s probably nothing more than some heated rhetoric.”
In other words, when Greenwald’s white supremacist client solicits the murder of an individual judge who had ruled against him, that was just heated rhetoric. When Misha lobs obviously overblown rhetoric at a group of appellate judges he dislikes politically, that’s “calling for the murder of Supreme Court Justices. One possibility is that like the ACLU, Greenwald has more respect for whacko fringe white supremacists than he has for conservatives. Another is that he’ll give you a fair shake, but only if you pay him. I don’t know which is worse.
In any event, this is all about Misha, right? Surely the Doucheman isn’t crass enough to use Misha’s intemperate comments to smear the entire right wing of the blogosphere … is he?! Um… yes.
His homicidal formulation is a play on the more standard call of the Right for American journalists to be hanged — “Journalists. Rope. Tree. Some assembly required” — another death call which, it just so happens, Misha also issued just a few days ago.
OK, so if Misha makes a bad joke once, it’s just Misha talking, but if he makes it a second time and sells (or attempts to sell – we don’t know what kind of response he’s gotten) a T-shirt repeating it a third time, suddenly it’s no longer just Misha talking, but a “more standard call of the Right [sic].” How is it that one solitary man can become a spokesman for The Right solely by twice repeating himself? Can I do that, too? It’s worth a try, so here goes:
- Glenn Greenwald is the biggest douche in the blogosphere.
- Glenn Greenwald is the biggest douche in the blogosphere.
- Glenn Greenwald is the biggest douche in the blogosphere.
OK, I think we have a consensus now.
Misha’s deranged pleas that journalists and Supreme Court Justices be murdered extends to his comment section, where one finds things such as this:
By commenter Robert Huntingdon, whoever the hell that is.
“I said shortly after 9/11, NCLivingBrit, that the only way we would win this war was to turn the entirety of the islamic territories into a radioactive glass parking lot. I’d just as soon not see us do that, however. I just can’t sanguinely write off a few billion people that way, even if the world would be a better place afterwards. But unless the traitors within are eliminated, they will eventually bring us down. [Emphasis added by Herr Douche, again without so noting.]
Now that Greenwald has stooped to trolling through comments sections, do we really need to go further? After all, just imagine what kind of a field day right-wing bloggers would have if Kevin Drum’s comment section – or anyone else’s – were fair game.
Greenwald goes on to quote another random commenter, this time some choad named juandos:
“Why has Bush been such a mighty disappointment (at least to me) in regards to this sort of action by the terrorist towel heads? . . . I think we could help the terrorist towel heads shed a few excess pounds via head removal system instead of Jenny Craig…”
This time, the überdouche actually managed to remove emphasis markings that had been in the original. Whatever. Greenwald then goes on to quote a somewhat better-known commenter who calls himself “twolaneflash.” You might have seen this guy commenting on FoxNews. Or maybe not:
“Winning the hearts and minds of muslims to democracy and capitalism is like separating the stink from shit. Good luck with that.”
OK, time to recap. On the one hand, we have a psych(o) professor leveling threats against somebody’s toddler. On the other, we have one blogger prone to overheated rhetoric, plus three commenters on that same blog whose combined notoriety pales in comparison to Frisch’s. From this, we’re supposed to infer some sort of pattern, I guess.
Actually, Ace, Insty and LGF’s entries don’t sound all that “horrified” after all. Of course, you weren’t actually supposed to follow those links, just to “ooh” and “ahh” over how many of them there were, and take Greenwald’s word that all those links actually say what he claims they say. You certainly weren’t meant to notice that the words “spent” and “very” both link to the same post, thereby making one example look to the naked eye as if it were two. Once you subtract the duplicate link and the two anything-but-horrified entries, you’re left with a whopping 3 supposed examples – which, you may recall, add up to virtually every right-wing blogger.
about the comments of that influential political leader of liberalism, Deb Frisch, or who lamented that she wasn’t condemned aggressively enough for her idiotic comments to Jeff Goldstein, none of them has condemned these calls by their fellow prominent right-wing blogger for American journalists and Supreme Court justices to be hung by trees until their neck snaps (indeed, one of the right-wing bloggers joining in the weekend sermons against this mean Deb Frisch rhetoric was that Beacon of Right-wing propriety, Misha himself).
Gee, I wonder. Could it have anything to do with the fact that Misha’s overheated rhetoric has nothing to do with Frisch’s psychotic threats against a toddler, a level none of the referenced bloggers, Misha included, would stoop to even rhetorically? Or with the fact that none of the bloggers in question read Misha’s blog on a regular basis? Of the five “countless” right-wing bloggers cited by Greenwald, only two – Glenn Reynolds and Michelle Malkin – even list Misha on their blogrolls. Does anyone seriously believe that those two read Misha even on a weekly basis, let alone on the twice-daily basis they would have needed in order to catch him during the 10-hour window between Misha’s 3:05 a.m. CDT post and Douchie’s 2:18 p.m. EDT rejoinder.
They all seemed to find such disturbing rhetoric so upsetting, such cause for great alarm this weekend, when it came from an obscure person in some comment section,
Unlike those really famous guys from Misha’s comment section, Robert Huntingdon, juandos and twolaneflash, whose names appear on the front page of the New York Times every day.
but they have not said a word of condemnation about these death calls from a prominent blogger on the Right. Nor have any of them condemned the calls by Misha’s readers for Islamic countries to be turned into radioactive parking lots or for the death of the towel heads by other means. Why not?
Well gee whiz, if they don’t read Misha’s frickin’ blog, they must read each and every comment to it, right?!
Nor did they condemn another prominent right-wing blogger, Dean Esmay, when he presciently called for the hanging of NYT reporters way back in December, long before the johnny-came-lately noose advocates like Misha did so.
Like just about every other word in Greenwald’s post, this claim is a bald-faced lie. If you followed the link – as usual, he’s betting that you didn’t – you’ll know that what he actually called for was criminal trials against government leakers, followed by their lawful execution for treason upon conviction. He didn’t call for any action at all to be taken against the NYT reporters who printed the leaks; Greenwald simply made that up.
Nor did they condemn right-wing radio host (and guest host for Sean Hannity) Michael Reagan’s call for Howard Dean to be hanged.
Media Matters -where have I heard that name before? Would that be the pet project of David Brock, who now admits to lying in the early 1990s but expects us all to accept him as a credible source of news today? Why yes, that is Brock’s outfit, isn’t it. IF Reagan actually said what Greenwald claims he said, why can’t he come up with a credible source to corroborate it? Assuming arguendo that Reagan did indeed say what Glenn “I am not a douche!” Greenwald and David “Trust Me” Brock claim he said, WTF does that have to do with any right-wing bloggers? Are bloggers under some duty to scour not only the Internet but other media as well in search of stuff to condemn? And if so, then “why the silence” on Greenwald’s part in failing to condemn PETA, Greenpeace, Ward Churchill, Dan Rather and every jerk who’s faked a hate crime against himself/herself?
Nor, for that matter, have any of them condemned the calls
Let’s have a show of hands. Which of the following is the least credible thing a blogger – presumably, one who does not covet the title “Biggest Douche in the Blogosphere” – can do?
- Link to original sources, while lying about what those sources say, hoping you’ll never take the time to check after allowing the mouse to hover over the links.
- Link to secondary sources of dubious credibility, such as SadlyNo! or MediaMatters, and hope you won’t notice the difference if you do follow the links.
- Link to his own goddamned site, hoping you’re too stupid or too lazy even to place the mouse over a link to see WTF it is.
by David Horowitz for the names, home addresses and security systems of NYT editors and reporters to be published on the Internet,
Yet another lie; the article focuses on why it is wrong for the NYT to do the same to top government officials for no good reason. The closest thing Horowitz does to calling for anything is to link to an unrelated post by someone else Greenwald knows you haven’t heard of, and therefore doesn’t bother to name.
nor have any of them condemned publication by right-wing blogger Dan Riehl of the satellite photographs of the home of the NYT Publisher
What’s to condemn? Riehl’s post was in response to the same indviduals having done the same to Karl Rove and other Washington operatives who, unlike NYT staff, might actually pose some interest to terrorists. Goose, gander, etc. Besides, it’s not as though the bloggers Greenwald called out are afraid to attack Riehl when they feel it is warranted. For better or for owrse, it’s been known to happen before.
(unsurprisingly, Riehl himself, along with Misha, was among the right-wing bloggers sermonizing this weekend about the terrible comments made to Goldstein).
And that was bad because …. remind me why, exactly?
Nor have they condemned comments from the Grand Victim himself, Jeff Goldstein, that are reprehensible and revolting by any measure.
Lessee … at this point can we trust any links from Glenn Greenwald or to that Goldstein-obsessed site that is Sadly, No!? Sadly, no. Nor would it be relevant even if we could, as one person’s bad behavior is no excuse for another’s.
Let us stipulate that there are crazed, insane lunatics and repugnant individuals on both the Right and the Left. Any honest person would readily acknowledge that.
I would, but it’s worth noting that while this statement is almost certainly true, Greenwald hasn’t done a f’ing thing to show that it is.
But while right-wing bloggers have to dig under rocks to find obscure commenters making reprehensible comments,
Note the shifting definition of “rock,” whereby a well known, frequently abusive troll cannot be mentioned out loud without digging under a rock, while Misha’s three world-famous commenters are not hiding under any rocks at all.
many of the most prominent bloggers and opinion leaders on the Right routinely and blithely call for people’s deaths,
Translated: one prominent right-wing blogger uses overheated rhetoric on the level of “I could just kill that so-and-so,” and at least one other right-winger supports the death penalty. Did you really need to wade through three tons of Greenwald’s bullshit to figure that out?
and some even post their home addresses on the Internet for anyone who wants help making those recommendations turn into a reality.
Yeah, it sure is a good thing we don’t have any left wing newspapers printing home or vacation addresses of prominent government figures — oh wait, that’s exactly what the right-wingers were responding to. Oh, nevermind.
The most popular right-wing authors sell millions of books by attacking their political opponents as treasonous and mentally ill.
While left-wing authors sell their millions by doing what, exactly? Showering their political opponents with praise?
Nobody needs to wade through the depths of comment sections to find this rhetoric on the Right,
Nobody, of course, except Glenn Greenwald, who did exactly that when harping on Misha’s commenters – not to mention a T-shirt he conveniently neglected to mention was sold by Misha himself.
nor does anyone need to seize on totally obscure individuals and — a la Ward Churchill or Deb Frisch —
University lecturers, both. That’s not a job just anybody can get. Try applying for a job like that someday.
absurdly try to transform them into some sort of political leader
This is one of those wild claims that Greenwald usually accompanies with misleading links. This time there are no links, suggesting even he knows he’s full of shit.
in order to impose responsibility for their moronic statements on people who never even heard of them before.
Which would be really bad, if anyone except Moran and Confederate Yankee had done such a thing. Seeing as those two are the only known offenders, why not argue with them rather than attempting to make everyone else guilty by association?
One need only peruse the routine hate-mongering
Liberalspeak for “dissenting from liberal orthodoxy.”
of the Right’s opinion leaders and their prominent bloggers — the Malkins and the Mishas and the David Horowitzs and the Ann Coulters —
This is another example of links missing because Greenwald can’t evne bulllshit his way out of this one. Malkin is a prominent blogger now because she was a prominent journalist then, and remains so to this day. Horowitz writes semi-bloggish commentaries here and there, but can scarcely be called a prominent blogger, and to the best of my knowledge, Coulter does not blog at all.
and one will find more hateful and deranged rhetoric than one can stomach. And it is almost never condemned, including by those who self-righteously parade themselves around as Defenders of Civility and have the audacity to demand that others condemn such rhetoric when it comes from far less significant and influential corners.
This lie has been pretty thoroughly debunked by Patterico already, but he’s hardly the only person who has called out any of the right-wing bloggers or journalists who Greenwald dishonestly accuses of being hateful, but who can be reasonably be criticized for having a rhetorical style that is over the top. Captain Ed has done so as well, I’m sure there are other examples of Greenwald had even looked for them before spouting off about how they supposedly don’t exist.
Based on the grieving rituals we had to endure this weekend over Jeff Goldstein’s sensibilities, I presume it’s fair to infer that the silence from right-wing bloggers over Misha’s calls for the deaths of journalists and Supreme Court Justices means — as one of the most-cited sermons put it — that “one might be tempted to think that this absolute lack of condemnation was a tacit acceptance of these tactics.”
That would indeed be a fair inference in the case of Confederate Yankee, or maybe Rick Moran. It’s a completely idiotic inference to make about anyone else.
One might be particularly tempted to think that given that such rhetoric flows not merely from obscure commenters on right-wing blogs, but also from the Right’s leading bloggers and pundits, with virtually no condemnation of any kind.
Yup, Greenwald has indeed “given” himself that, all right, despite only being able to name one prominent blogger who had engaged in over the top rhetoric, and none at all who said anything remotely comparable to what the not-so-obscure Deborah Frisch said.
Glenn has repatedly refused to apologize to Patterico or any of the other people he libeled, and instead whines about Patty calling him a douche. I agree. Calling an überdouche like Greenwald a mere “douche” is a bit like calling Bill Gates just another businessman or Babe Ruth just another baseball player. Greenwald is not just a garden variety douche; he’s the Biggest Douche in the Blogosphere, the John Edward of blogdom. Any bloggers who continue to link him as an information source rather than as something to be mocked should henceforth be called the doucheosphere. When that happens, please remember that I’m the guy who named the doucheosphere (though admittedly not the first to use that word in any context).
UPDATE: Welcome, readers of Patterico, AIR and Glenn Non-Douche.