Comments on: Black Tuesday http://xrlq.com/2006/11/08/black-tuesday/ Politische Kommentare mit Snarkenremarken Wed, 08 Feb 2012 08:50:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Xrlq http://xrlq.com/2006/11/08/black-tuesday/comment-page-1/#comment-109627 Xrlq Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:34:46 +0000 http://xrlq.com/2006/11/08/the-people-have-spoken/#comment-109627 There are conservative pockets here and there, sure, but at the statewide level they don't come close to evening out. When then-Vice President Bush <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election%2C_1988" rel="nofollow">clobbered Michael Dukakis</a> by a 7.8% margin, carrying 40 states, he carried California by barely over half that margin, 3.57%. That made then-defense-heavy California a trifle more conservative than Vermont, which he carried by 3.52%. After that, California has lurched well to the left, electing Democrats in every single Presidential <i>or</i> Senatorial election that has been held there since. Even in 1994, where the Republicans cleaned house and countless anti-gun-owner Democrats across the country got voted out of office in droves (and even pro-gun House Speaker Tom Foley got voted out in part for not being pro-gun enough), the queen of all gun-grabbers, Dianne Feinstein managed to get re-elected. That dreaded "assault" weapon ban, which even President Clinton acknowledged had ended many a political career, was barely an issue in California, which had already enacted a stricter ban in 1989, and went on to enact a stricter one still in 1999. Today, citizens have a right to carry a gun for self-defense in roughly 40 states. Is anyone really surprised to find California among the other 10? There are conservative pockets here and there, sure, but at the statewide level they don’t come close to evening out. When then-Vice President Bush clobbered Michael Dukakis by a 7.8% margin, carrying 40 states, he carried California by barely over half that margin, 3.57%. That made then-defense-heavy California a trifle more conservative than Vermont, which he carried by 3.52%. After that, California has lurched well to the left, electing Democrats in every single Presidential or Senatorial election that has been held there since. Even in 1994, where the Republicans cleaned house and countless anti-gun-owner Democrats across the country got voted out of office in droves (and even pro-gun House Speaker Tom Foley got voted out in part for not being pro-gun enough), the queen of all gun-grabbers, Dianne Feinstein managed to get re-elected. That dreaded “assault” weapon ban, which even President Clinton acknowledged had ended many a political career, was barely an issue in California, which had already enacted a stricter ban in 1989, and went on to enact a stricter one still in 1999. Today, citizens have a right to carry a gun for self-defense in roughly 40 states. Is anyone really surprised to find California among the other 10?

]]> By: aphrael http://xrlq.com/2006/11/08/black-tuesday/comment-page-1/#comment-109616 aphrael Fri, 10 Nov 2006 19:59:20 +0000 http://xrlq.com/2006/11/08/the-people-have-spoken/#comment-109616 Well, we're certainly not a conservative state. But there's a really strong anti-tax sentiment in California, and there are areas of the state which are fairly conservative. I guess i'm thinking that the liberal areas and the conservative areas average out. Well, we’re certainly not a conservative state. But there’s a really strong anti-tax sentiment in California, and there are areas of the state which are fairly conservative.

I guess i’m thinking that the liberal areas and the conservative areas average out.

]]> By: Xrlq http://xrlq.com/2006/11/08/black-tuesday/comment-page-1/#comment-109566 Xrlq Fri, 10 Nov 2006 15:37:05 +0000 http://xrlq.com/2006/11/08/the-people-have-spoken/#comment-109566 Aphrael, I agree with everything you said except the part about California being a "moderate" state. Huh? Aphrael, I agree with everything you said except the part about California being a “moderate” state. Huh?

]]> By: aphrael http://xrlq.com/2006/11/08/black-tuesday/comment-page-1/#comment-109342 aphrael Thu, 09 Nov 2006 18:24:33 +0000 http://xrlq.com/2006/11/08/the-people-have-spoken/#comment-109342 I think that the California anti-Kelo initiative would have done much better had it not included the regulatory takings ("damage") clauses. It was a typical example of the California conservatives overreaching in a moderate state and getting thwacked for it. I think that the California anti-Kelo initiative would have done much better had it not included the regulatory takings (“damage”) clauses. It was a typical example of the California conservatives overreaching in a moderate state and getting thwacked for it.

]]> By: Xrlq http://xrlq.com/2006/11/08/black-tuesday/comment-page-1/#comment-109173 Xrlq Thu, 09 Nov 2006 04:53:08 +0000 http://xrlq.com/2006/11/08/the-people-have-spoken/#comment-109173 The complaint is that depending on the state you're in, it may not be that easy to get a repeal on the ballot. Here in VA, the General Assembly had to vote on the bill twice to get it on the ballot. All this to make an issue democracy-proof, nothing more. There was never any danger of the Virginia courts inventing a "constitutional" right to gay marriage without it. The complaint is that depending on the state you’re in, it may not be that easy to get a repeal on the ballot. Here in VA, the General Assembly had to vote on the bill twice to get it on the ballot. All this to make an issue democracy-proof, nothing more. There was never any danger of the Virginia courts inventing a “constitutional” right to gay marriage without it.

]]> By: gattsuru http://xrlq.com/2006/11/08/black-tuesday/comment-page-1/#comment-109172 gattsuru Thu, 09 Nov 2006 04:44:59 +0000 http://xrlq.com/2006/11/08/the-people-have-spoken/#comment-109172 So, what's the complaint with the gay marriage amendments? We can remove them as easily as they're inserted with a popular vote, and they prevent the stupid judicial decisions and resulting backlash. So, what’s the complaint with the gay marriage amendments? We can remove them as easily as they’re inserted with a popular vote, and they prevent the stupid judicial decisions and resulting backlash.

]]> By: Dave Munger http://xrlq.com/2006/11/08/black-tuesday/comment-page-1/#comment-109162 Dave Munger Thu, 09 Nov 2006 03:59:34 +0000 http://xrlq.com/2006/11/08/the-people-have-spoken/#comment-109162 I did a <a href="http://davemunger.blogspot.com/2006/11/top-twenty-silver-linings-funny-ones.html" rel="nofollow">silver linings post too</a>, so I might as well plug it here. I did a silver linings post too, so I might as well plug it here.

]]> By: Nony Mouse http://xrlq.com/2006/11/08/black-tuesday/comment-page-1/#comment-109147 Nony Mouse Thu, 09 Nov 2006 00:23:15 +0000 http://xrlq.com/2006/11/08/the-people-have-spoken/#comment-109147 Nine states, including mine, passed state constitutional amendments limiting the power of eminent domain. *Take that Kelo* <cite>[Thanks for the tip, I've added this one to the list. That'll teach me to focus only on my own state, which didn't have a <i>Kelo</i> measure, and my former state, where it failed. -X]</cite> Nine states, including mine, passed state constitutional amendments limiting the power of eminent domain. *Take that Kelo*

[Thanks for the tip, I've added this one to the list. That'll teach me to focus only on my own state, which didn't have a Kelo measure, and my former state, where it failed. -X]

]]> By: nk http://xrlq.com/2006/11/08/black-tuesday/comment-page-1/#comment-109145 nk Thu, 09 Nov 2006 00:12:54 +0000 http://xrlq.com/2006/11/08/the-people-have-spoken/#comment-109145 MCRI is the one to watch when it's time for redistricting. Will it get rid of racial and ethnic gerrymanders? MCRI is the one to watch when it’s time for redistricting. Will it get rid of racial and ethnic gerrymanders?

]]> By: steve sturm http://xrlq.com/2006/11/08/black-tuesday/comment-page-1/#comment-109110 steve sturm Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:13:42 +0000 http://xrlq.com/2006/11/08/the-people-have-spoken/#comment-109110 What's with the 'we lost' white guy? Yes, some conservatives lost, but what suggests that conservatism is waning or that liberalism is on the rise? I'd offer up the near perfect run of anti-gay marriage referendums as evidence that 'conservative' issues still have drawing power. And while the Democrats will have 'control', the winners of GOP seats are for the most part, far more conservative than the likes of Pelosi and Reid. Allen losing to Webb substitutes one (relative) conservative for another, the same with the likes of Heath Shuler winning a House seat. It's not a surprise that Santorum lost; he has always been too conservative for Pennsylvania, it's been a surprise that he lasted this long, and Casey, without having a Bush to run against in six years, has to be an early pick as someone who'll need to find a new job in six years. As for Chafee, good riddance; losing a RINO sure can't count as a blow against conservatism. But the biggest silver lining is that yesterday was a one time event, a perfect storm for the Democrats that is not to be repeated. In 2008, the Democrats won't be able to run against Bush as they did this time. In 08 everybody running for office will have aligned themselves with a get-out-of-Iraq faction. Cardin didn't win in MD because he pushed himself, he won because he tagged Steele with the Bush brush. And... presuming the GOP can behave themselves, we won't have the DeLays, Foley, Weldons and Neys dragging us down. This doesn't mean that the GOP can sit on their butts and wait to have control handed back to them.. but it does mean that things aren't as dire as some wailers might otherwise think... Oh, and isn't your guy in line for a move up in the GOP caucus? That's got to be worth a few extra million/billion in handouts for your district... What’s with the ‘we lost’ white guy?

Yes, some conservatives lost, but what suggests that conservatism is waning or that liberalism is on the rise? I’d offer up the near perfect run of anti-gay marriage referendums as evidence that ‘conservative’ issues still have drawing power.

And while the Democrats will have ‘control’, the winners of GOP seats are for the most part, far more conservative than the likes of Pelosi and Reid. Allen losing to Webb substitutes one (relative) conservative for another, the same with the likes of Heath Shuler winning a House seat. It’s not a surprise that Santorum lost; he has always been too conservative for Pennsylvania, it’s been a surprise that he lasted this long, and Casey, without having a Bush to run against in six years, has to be an early pick as someone who’ll need to find a new job in six years. As for Chafee, good riddance; losing a RINO sure can’t count as a blow against conservatism.

But the biggest silver lining is that yesterday was a one time event, a perfect storm for the Democrats that is not to be repeated. In 2008, the Democrats won’t be able to run against Bush as they did this time. In 08 everybody running for office will have aligned themselves with a get-out-of-Iraq faction. Cardin didn’t win in MD because he pushed himself, he won because he tagged Steele with the Bush brush. And… presuming the GOP can behave themselves, we won’t have the DeLays, Foley, Weldons and Neys dragging us down. This doesn’t mean that the GOP can sit on their butts and wait to have control handed back to them.. but it does mean that things aren’t as dire as some wailers might otherwise think…

Oh, and isn’t your guy in line for a move up in the GOP caucus? That’s got to be worth a few extra million/billion in handouts for your district…

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