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	<title>Comments on: Think the Democrats Won&#8217;t Take Your Guns?  Think Again.  [Or don&#039;t?]</title>
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		<title>By: nk</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2006/11/14/think-the-democrats-wont-take-your-guns-think-again/comment-page-1/#comment-111662</link>
		<dc:creator>nk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 23:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that our entire ruling class, Republican and Democrat, has a different attitude towards guns than us great unwashed.

Not too long ago, I saw a news story about a Somali warlord accused of &quot;taking up arms&quot; against the government.  He said, &quot;I am an elder.  I do not take up arms&quot;.

I think our &quot;elders&quot; have nothing against guns as long as they can order the ones who take them up to be the ones who are in the line of fire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that our entire ruling class, Republican and Democrat, has a different attitude towards guns than us great unwashed.</p>
<p>Not too long ago, I saw a news story about a Somali warlord accused of &#8220;taking up arms&#8221; against the government.  He said, &#8220;I am an elder.  I do not take up arms&#8221;.</p>
<p>I think our &#8220;elders&#8221; have nothing against guns as long as they can order the ones who take them up to be the ones who are in the line of fire.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 02:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I actually hope the Dems have another go at guns.  Trying to ban handguns would be good.  Because 1) It would never pass; 2) Bush would veto (wouldn&#039;t he?); and 3) it would kill them in 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I actually hope the Dems have another go at guns.  Trying to ban handguns would be good.  Because 1) It would never pass; 2) Bush would veto (wouldn&#8217;t he?); and 3) it would kill them in 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: Buddy Wilson</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2006/11/14/think-the-democrats-wont-take-your-guns-think-again/comment-page-1/#comment-111464</link>
		<dc:creator>Buddy Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 19:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anti-Gun Leaders Bush, Reagan and Clinton

Prior to passage of the federal assault weapons ban (signed by then President Clinton), the importation of certain types of assault weapons from overseas had been banned during the Reagan and George H.W. Bush Administrations. Such bans were ordered by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) under the 1968 Gun Control Act, which grants the ATF the power to prevent the importation of guns which are not &quot;particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes.&quot;

Under the Reagan Administration, the ATF blocked the importation of certain models of shotguns that were not suitable for sporting purposes. In 1989, during the George H.W. Bush Administration, the ATF expanded this list to permanently ban the importation of 43 types of semi-automatic assault rifles that were also determined not to have a sporting purpose.

Later, in 1998, during the Clinton Administration the ATF banned the importation of 58 additional foreign-made &quot;copycat&quot; assault weapons in order to close a loophole in the prior import ban.

This shows who the &quot;liberals&quot; are.........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anti-Gun Leaders Bush, Reagan and Clinton</p>
<p>Prior to passage of the federal assault weapons ban (signed by then President Clinton), the importation of certain types of assault weapons from overseas had been banned during the Reagan and George H.W. Bush Administrations. Such bans were ordered by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) under the 1968 Gun Control Act, which grants the ATF the power to prevent the importation of guns which are not &#8220;particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes.&#8221;</p>
<p>Under the Reagan Administration, the ATF blocked the importation of certain models of shotguns that were not suitable for sporting purposes. In 1989, during the George H.W. Bush Administration, the ATF expanded this list to permanently ban the importation of 43 types of semi-automatic assault rifles that were also determined not to have a sporting purpose.</p>
<p>Later, in 1998, during the Clinton Administration the ATF banned the importation of 58 additional foreign-made &#8220;copycat&#8221; assault weapons in order to close a loophole in the prior import ban.</p>
<p>This shows who the &#8220;liberals&#8221; are&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: SayUncle &#187; More Dems and guns - could be the last one</title>
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		<dc:creator>SayUncle &#187; More Dems and guns - could be the last one</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 14:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A commenter at Xrlqy Wrlqy&#8217;s: The 52-47 vote in 2004 was before the elections. You didnt state that. After the elections the vote would have reveresed to 47-52. The additions of pro gun seats in north and south carolina, florida,south dakota and louisiana gave the US senate 5 more votes to stop the awb. With the current of loss of Jim talent being the only pro gun vote to leave the senate the new vote would be 51 to 48. This is all assuming webb, tester, and casey all vote pro gun. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A commenter at Xrlqy Wrlqy&#8217;s: The 52-47 vote in 2004 was before the elections. You didnt state that. After the elections the vote would have reveresed to 47-52. The additions of pro gun seats in north and south carolina, florida,south dakota and louisiana gave the US senate 5 more votes to stop the awb. With the current of loss of Jim talent being the only pro gun vote to leave the senate the new vote would be 51 to 48. This is all assuming webb, tester, and casey all vote pro gun. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Xrlq</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2006/11/14/think-the-democrats-wont-take-your-guns-think-again/comment-page-1/#comment-111332</link>
		<dc:creator>Xrlq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 02:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The 52-47 vote in 2004 was before the elections. You didnt state that.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think it goes without saying that a hot-button issue like that gets voted on before an election and not in the lame duck session that follows.  I&#039;m not sure why that matters, anyway, unless you have evidence that any of the Senators would have changed their votes on account of the election.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The additions of pro gun seats in north and south carolina, florida, south dakota and louisiana gave the US senate 5 more votes to stop the awb.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That would be the 109th Congress, the one that is still in session now.  I never doubted that &lt;i&gt;today&#039;s&lt;/i&gt; Congress is more pro-gun than the last; the question is whether or not the forthcoming one is.  Based on these five states, and assuming Missouri really was the only state that went from solidly pro-gun to anything else, then I agree that the current numbers look a lot more favorable than I had previously thought.  I suppose it is also possible that at least one or two squishy moderates might have voted to renew the AW ban out of sheer inertia, but would see little reason to pass a new one now.

Perhaps I owe Countertop a beer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The 52-47 vote in 2004 was before the elections. You didnt state that.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think it goes without saying that a hot-button issue like that gets voted on before an election and not in the lame duck session that follows.  I&#8217;m not sure why that matters, anyway, unless you have evidence that any of the Senators would have changed their votes on account of the election.</p>
<blockquote><p>The additions of pro gun seats in north and south carolina, florida, south dakota and louisiana gave the US senate 5 more votes to stop the awb.</p></blockquote>
<p>That would be the 109th Congress, the one that is still in session now.  I never doubted that <i>today&#8217;s</i> Congress is more pro-gun than the last; the question is whether or not the forthcoming one is.  Based on these five states, and assuming Missouri really was the only state that went from solidly pro-gun to anything else, then I agree that the current numbers look a lot more favorable than I had previously thought.  I suppose it is also possible that at least one or two squishy moderates might have voted to renew the AW ban out of sheer inertia, but would see little reason to pass a new one now.</p>
<p>Perhaps I owe Countertop a beer.</p>
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		<title>By: shane</title>
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		<dc:creator>shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 00:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 52-47 vote in 2004 was before the elections. You didnt state that. After the elections the vote would have reveresed to 47-52. The additions of pro gun seats in north and south carolina, florida,south dakota and louisiana gave the US senate 5 more votes to stop the awb. With the current of loss of Jim talent being the only pro gun vote to leave the senate the new vote would be 51 to 48. This is all assuming webb, tester, and casey all vote pro gun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 52-47 vote in 2004 was before the elections. You didnt state that. After the elections the vote would have reveresed to 47-52. The additions of pro gun seats in north and south carolina, florida,south dakota and louisiana gave the US senate 5 more votes to stop the awb. With the current of loss of Jim talent being the only pro gun vote to leave the senate the new vote would be 51 to 48. This is all assuming webb, tester, and casey all vote pro gun.</p>
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		<title>By: Xrlq</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xrlq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There won&#039;t be any new civil rights for gays, unless it was something narrowly drawn like a minor hate crime sentencing enhancement.  Anything broader than that is probably too controversial to pass even among Democrats, let alone among Republicans + moderate Democrats.  Bush would almost certainly veto it even if it did reach his desk.  If he were that concerned about appearing anti-gay, he wouldn&#039;t have championed FMA.

I agree that the minimum wage will probably go up.  I don&#039;t know how much detectable damage that will do to the economy, but my guess is, not much.  Assuming, of course, that the increase itself is also not much.  As for taxes, why go through the trouble of pushing a &quot;tax hike&quot; when you can accomplish the same simply by not renewing the tax cuts from Bush&#039;s first term?  That way, taxes go up automatically with little fanfare (since they didn&#039;t &quot;raise&quot; taxes, they only opposed &quot;cuts&quot;), and the next President and Congress will have to take the heat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There won&#8217;t be any new civil rights for gays, unless it was something narrowly drawn like a minor hate crime sentencing enhancement.  Anything broader than that is probably too controversial to pass even among Democrats, let alone among Republicans + moderate Democrats.  Bush would almost certainly veto it even if it did reach his desk.  If he were that concerned about appearing anti-gay, he wouldn&#8217;t have championed FMA.</p>
<p>I agree that the minimum wage will probably go up.  I don&#8217;t know how much detectable damage that will do to the economy, but my guess is, not much.  Assuming, of course, that the increase itself is also not much.  As for taxes, why go through the trouble of pushing a &#8220;tax hike&#8221; when you can accomplish the same simply by not renewing the tax cuts from Bush&#8217;s first term?  That way, taxes go up automatically with little fanfare (since they didn&#8217;t &#8220;raise&#8221; taxes, they only opposed &#8220;cuts&#8221;), and the next President and Congress will have to take the heat.</p>
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		<title>By: jjv</title>
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		<dc:creator>jjv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 19:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They have two years and are not going to move the least popular part of their agenda.  Guns are safe for now.  However, minimum wage will go up, slow growth and raise youth unemployment with all the bad social consequences that engenders.  We may see a new civil rights bill barring &quot;discrimination&quot; on sexual orientation.  We will see tax hikes.  What will Bush veto?  Not minimum wage.  Doesn&#039;t want to be seen as anti-gay.  The tax hikes may be linked to funding the war on terror and he will have no choice.  So we see three intrusions into private contract and free enterprise right there and no likely succesful opposition.  Guns will not be meaningfully regulated, everything esle is in jeapardy however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They have two years and are not going to move the least popular part of their agenda.  Guns are safe for now.  However, minimum wage will go up, slow growth and raise youth unemployment with all the bad social consequences that engenders.  We may see a new civil rights bill barring &#8220;discrimination&#8221; on sexual orientation.  We will see tax hikes.  What will Bush veto?  Not minimum wage.  Doesn&#8217;t want to be seen as anti-gay.  The tax hikes may be linked to funding the war on terror and he will have no choice.  So we see three intrusions into private contract and free enterprise right there and no likely succesful opposition.  Guns will not be meaningfully regulated, everything esle is in jeapardy however.</p>
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		<title>By: countertop</title>
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		<dc:creator>countertop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 17:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Swamped at work right now.

My thoughts and response will be forthcoming on Monday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Swamped at work right now.</p>
<p>My thoughts and response will be forthcoming on Monday.</p>
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		<title>By: Unix-Jedi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unix-Jedi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Democrats have never repudiated their past support for gun control, or even for total prohibition in D.C. They just managed to keep their mouths shut on the issue for one whole election cycle, and millions of gun owners around the country happily deluded themsleves into thinking the Democrats have changed. They haven’t.&quot;

Nicely said.

I&#039;ve been trying to get this across to many people, unsuccessfully, for a while. Hope you have better luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Democrats have never repudiated their past support for gun control, or even for total prohibition in D.C. They just managed to keep their mouths shut on the issue for one whole election cycle, and millions of gun owners around the country happily deluded themsleves into thinking the Democrats have changed. They haven’t.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nicely said.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been trying to get this across to many people, unsuccessfully, for a while. Hope you have better luck.</p>
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