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		<title>By: Bilwick</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2007/01/27/your-brain-on-drug-wars/comment-page-1/#comment-124872</link>
		<dc:creator>Bilwick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 19:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Lod JJV. Your brilliant logic cannot be withstood. I hereby surrender my personal sovereignty and allow you to dictate how I should use my body, spend my money, etc.  I no longer worship my puny, rotten, sinful self, but those gods like you who were divinely appointed to rule over the rest of us.

(Seriously, this may seem like a flippant reply, but what can you do with someone who sees &quot;the Mailed Fist&quot; as synonymous with &quot;the common good&quot;?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Lod JJV. Your brilliant logic cannot be withstood. I hereby surrender my personal sovereignty and allow you to dictate how I should use my body, spend my money, etc.  I no longer worship my puny, rotten, sinful self, but those gods like you who were divinely appointed to rule over the rest of us.</p>
<p>(Seriously, this may seem like a flippant reply, but what can you do with someone who sees &#8220;the Mailed Fist&#8221; as synonymous with &#8220;the common good&#8221;?)</p>
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		<title>By: leshrac</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2007/01/27/your-brain-on-drug-wars/comment-page-1/#comment-123854</link>
		<dc:creator>leshrac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 00:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been under the impression for years that the increase in the drinking age was a reflection of the Federal blackmail on State drinking ages by threatening highway funding. Interesting that all I hear was increased tax revenue, that one didn&#039;t make sense to me.
I noted on another blog that many people who openly admit that they have never tried, nor were ever interested in drugs of any kind would be open to finding a place in their lives for reacreational use. First, alcohol being our legal drug which hopefully pacifies the masses end up being an instigator of far worse situations as discussed in the superman scenario. Second, many of these people pass fuctional recreational or daily users of drugs every day, even in the workplace whether they know it or admit. Lastly, the doomsday destruction of society that starts at home (save the children *puke*) would be no different than smoking, drinking, video games, tv or anything else. Moderation in all things people.
Hawkers argument was half-assed at best and fairly indefensible when you look at the big picture, all the facts, all the statistics. I wouldn&#039;t give up bike riding because I could get hurt, I won&#039;t give up smoking but I will take others concerns into consideration and crack or heroin scares me too. But I&#039;m not a child and I&#039;m educated and I make decisions and perhaps mistakes for myself and don&#039;t blame others. Some people need to control other peoples lives so thoroughly that it steals the drive for independence and freedom that we all see being taken from us at an ever dramatic pace.
Oh, one last thought. How much exactly do these loco people think it&#039;s going to cost to grow some weed in a garden. Good god, what will happen if someone finds a way to manufacture dandelions into something entertaining:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been under the impression for years that the increase in the drinking age was a reflection of the Federal blackmail on State drinking ages by threatening highway funding. Interesting that all I hear was increased tax revenue, that one didn&#8217;t make sense to me.<br />
I noted on another blog that many people who openly admit that they have never tried, nor were ever interested in drugs of any kind would be open to finding a place in their lives for reacreational use. First, alcohol being our legal drug which hopefully pacifies the masses end up being an instigator of far worse situations as discussed in the superman scenario. Second, many of these people pass fuctional recreational or daily users of drugs every day, even in the workplace whether they know it or admit. Lastly, the doomsday destruction of society that starts at home (save the children *puke*) would be no different than smoking, drinking, video games, tv or anything else. Moderation in all things people.<br />
Hawkers argument was half-assed at best and fairly indefensible when you look at the big picture, all the facts, all the statistics. I wouldn&#8217;t give up bike riding because I could get hurt, I won&#8217;t give up smoking but I will take others concerns into consideration and crack or heroin scares me too. But I&#8217;m not a child and I&#8217;m educated and I make decisions and perhaps mistakes for myself and don&#8217;t blame others. Some people need to control other peoples lives so thoroughly that it steals the drive for independence and freedom that we all see being taken from us at an ever dramatic pace.<br />
Oh, one last thought. How much exactly do these loco people think it&#8217;s going to cost to grow some weed in a garden. Good god, what will happen if someone finds a way to manufacture dandelions into something entertaining:)</p>
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		<title>By: jjv</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2007/01/27/your-brain-on-drug-wars/comment-page-1/#comment-123813</link>
		<dc:creator>jjv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would rather be a worshipper of &quot;the Mailed Fist&quot; (common good) than of myself which it strikes me those who think voting on tax rates, the legalit of drugs, the prevalence of pornography, and trade relations with other coutries is tyranny often appear to be.

Worse, I&#039;m sure I&#039;d love heroin if I tried it and I&#039;d have been more likely to try it if it were legal. The same for gambling and the like. Often times people do not vote to ban things they don&#039;t like but things they believe they and others will like too much to the detriment of other desired goals or goods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would rather be a worshipper of &#8220;the Mailed Fist&#8221; (common good) than of myself which it strikes me those who think voting on tax rates, the legalit of drugs, the prevalence of pornography, and trade relations with other coutries is tyranny often appear to be.</p>
<p>Worse, I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;d love heroin if I tried it and I&#8217;d have been more likely to try it if it were legal. The same for gambling and the like. Often times people do not vote to ban things they don&#8217;t like but things they believe they and others will like too much to the detriment of other desired goals or goods.</p>
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		<title>By: Bilwick</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2007/01/27/your-brain-on-drug-wars/comment-page-1/#comment-123806</link>
		<dc:creator>Bilwick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish the people who seek the power to control my life, my body, my money, or whatever would just be honest and say:

&quot;I disapprove of _____________ [drugs, porn, capitalism, whatever] and therefore I want to force people not to _____________ [take drugs, buy porn, trade freely, whatever].&quot;

Instead they waste valuable time (their own, and ours) with their &quot;common good&quot; rhetoric and tortured attempts at logic, only making themselves look silly and dishonest in the process. Just bottom-line it, worshippers of the Mailed Fist, so those of us who do not consider ourselves property of the State can quickly tell you to go to Hell and get on about our business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish the people who seek the power to control my life, my body, my money, or whatever would just be honest and say:</p>
<p>&#8220;I disapprove of _____________ [drugs, porn, capitalism, whatever] and therefore I want to force people not to _____________ [take drugs, buy porn, trade freely, whatever].&#8221;</p>
<p>Instead they waste valuable time (their own, and ours) with their &#8220;common good&#8221; rhetoric and tortured attempts at logic, only making themselves look silly and dishonest in the process. Just bottom-line it, worshippers of the Mailed Fist, so those of us who do not consider ourselves property of the State can quickly tell you to go to Hell and get on about our business.</p>
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		<title>By: jjv</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2007/01/27/your-brain-on-drug-wars/comment-page-1/#comment-123558</link>
		<dc:creator>jjv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 22:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;woof and warp&quot; point I made earlier is being misinterpreted.  I say that to note that the very prevalence of the use of alcohol over time and in the West in particular made the amount of people involved far larger than the drug culture does, with the concommitment problems of enforcement.  Further, with most drugs the community of users is smaller than it would be were drugs legalized.  

The moonshine analogy is misplaced as you can legally buy alcohol that is the same proof as moonshine.  It is made the same way as other alcohol.  Moonshine was made partially to avoid &quot;revenuers.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;woof and warp&#8221; point I made earlier is being misinterpreted.  I say that to note that the very prevalence of the use of alcohol over time and in the West in particular made the amount of people involved far larger than the drug culture does, with the concommitment problems of enforcement.  Further, with most drugs the community of users is smaller than it would be were drugs legalized.  </p>
<p>The moonshine analogy is misplaced as you can legally buy alcohol that is the same proof as moonshine.  It is made the same way as other alcohol.  Moonshine was made partially to avoid &#8220;revenuers.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Pro-Gun Progressive &#187; Further to the Drugs and Guns Issue</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2007/01/27/your-brain-on-drug-wars/comment-page-1/#comment-123528</link>
		<dc:creator>Pro-Gun Progressive &#187; Further to the Drugs and Guns Issue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Electric Venom &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Winning The War on (Some) Drugs</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2007/01/27/your-brain-on-drug-wars/comment-page-1/#comment-123273</link>
		<dc:creator>Electric Venom &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Winning The War on (Some) Drugs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of the Drug War , which asserts that drug usage is best restrained by keeping drugs illegal, Xrlq writes: Banning drugs almost certainly causes some potential users to go or stay straight. It also causes [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Milton Friedman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milton Friedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;An open letter to Bill Bennet:&lt;/i&gt;

In Oliver Cromwell&#039;s eloquent words, &quot;I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken&quot; about the course you and President Bush urge us to adopt to fight drugs. The path you propose of more police, more jails, use of the military in foreign countries, harsh penalties for drug users, and a whole panoply of repressive measures can only make a bad situation worse. The drug war cannot be won by those tactics without undermining the human liberty and individual freedom that you and I cherish.

You are not mistaken in believing that drugs are a scourge that is devastating our society. You are not mistaken in believing that drugs are tearing asunder our social fabric, ruining the lives of many young people, and imposing heavy costs on some of the most disadvantaged among us. You are not mistaken in believing that the majority of the public share your concerns. In short, you are not mistaken in the end you seek to achieve.

Your mistake is failing to recognize that the very measures you favor are a major source of the evils you deplore. Of course the problem is demand, but it is not only demand, it is demand that must operate through repressed and illegal channels. Illegality creates obscene profits that finance the murderous tactics of the drug lords; illegality leads to the corruption of law enforcement officials; illegality monopolizes the efforts of honest law forces so that they are starved for resources to fight the simpler crimes of robbery, theft and assault.

Drugs are a tragedy for addicts. But criminalizing their use converts that tragedy into a disaster for society, for users and non-users alike. Our experience with the prohibition of drugs is a replay of our experience with the prohibition of alcoholic beverages.

I append excerpts from a column that I wrote in 1972 on &quot;Prohibition and Drugs.&quot; The major problem then was heroin from Marseilles; today, it is cocaine from Latin America. Today, also, the problem is far more serious than it was 17 years ago: more addicts, more innocent victims; more drug pushers, more law enforcement officials; more money spent to enforce prohibition, more money spent to circumvent prohibition.

Had drugs been decriminalized 17 years ago, &quot;crack&quot; would never have been invented (it was invented because the high cost of illegal drugs made it profitable to provide a cheaper version) and there would today be far fewer addicts. The lives of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of innocent victims would have been saved, and not only in the U.S. The ghettos of our major cities would not be drug-and-crime-infested no-man&#039;s lands. Fewer people would be in jails, and fewer jails would have been built.

Columbia, Bolivia and Peru would not be suffering from narco-terror, and we would not be distorting our foreign policy because of narco-terror. Hell would not, in the words with which Billy Sunday welcomed Prohibition, &quot;be forever for rent,&quot; but it would be a lot emptier.

Decriminalizing drugs is even more urgent now than in 1972, but we must recognize that the harm done in the interim cannot be wiped out, certainly not immediately. Postponing decriminalization will only make matters worse, and make the problem appear even more intractable.

Alcohol and tobacco cause many more deaths in users than do drugs. Decriminalization would not prevent us from treating drugs as we now treat alcohol and tobacco: prohibiting sales of drugs to minors, outlawing the advertising of drugs and similar measures. Such measures could be enforced, while outright prohibition cannot be. Moreover, if even a small fraction of the money we now spend on trying to enforce drug prohibition were devoted to treatment and rehabilitation, in an atmosphere of compassion not punishment, the reduction in drug usage and in the harm done to the users could be dramatic.

This plea comes from the bottom of my heart. Every friend of freedom, and I know you are one, must be as revolted as I am by the prospect of turning the United States into an armed camp, by the vision of jails filled with casual drug users and of an army of enforcers empowered to invade the liberty of citizens on slight evidence. A country in which shooting down unidentified planes &quot;on suspicion&quot; can be seriously considered as a drug-war tactic is not the kind of United States that either you or I want to hand on to future generations. 

&lt;i&gt;Today is Milton Friedman Day.  IMHO, every day should be.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>An open letter to Bill Bennet:</i></p>
<p>In Oliver Cromwell&#8217;s eloquent words, &#8220;I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken&#8221; about the course you and President Bush urge us to adopt to fight drugs. The path you propose of more police, more jails, use of the military in foreign countries, harsh penalties for drug users, and a whole panoply of repressive measures can only make a bad situation worse. The drug war cannot be won by those tactics without undermining the human liberty and individual freedom that you and I cherish.</p>
<p>You are not mistaken in believing that drugs are a scourge that is devastating our society. You are not mistaken in believing that drugs are tearing asunder our social fabric, ruining the lives of many young people, and imposing heavy costs on some of the most disadvantaged among us. You are not mistaken in believing that the majority of the public share your concerns. In short, you are not mistaken in the end you seek to achieve.</p>
<p>Your mistake is failing to recognize that the very measures you favor are a major source of the evils you deplore. Of course the problem is demand, but it is not only demand, it is demand that must operate through repressed and illegal channels. Illegality creates obscene profits that finance the murderous tactics of the drug lords; illegality leads to the corruption of law enforcement officials; illegality monopolizes the efforts of honest law forces so that they are starved for resources to fight the simpler crimes of robbery, theft and assault.</p>
<p>Drugs are a tragedy for addicts. But criminalizing their use converts that tragedy into a disaster for society, for users and non-users alike. Our experience with the prohibition of drugs is a replay of our experience with the prohibition of alcoholic beverages.</p>
<p>I append excerpts from a column that I wrote in 1972 on &#8220;Prohibition and Drugs.&#8221; The major problem then was heroin from Marseilles; today, it is cocaine from Latin America. Today, also, the problem is far more serious than it was 17 years ago: more addicts, more innocent victims; more drug pushers, more law enforcement officials; more money spent to enforce prohibition, more money spent to circumvent prohibition.</p>
<p>Had drugs been decriminalized 17 years ago, &#8220;crack&#8221; would never have been invented (it was invented because the high cost of illegal drugs made it profitable to provide a cheaper version) and there would today be far fewer addicts. The lives of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of innocent victims would have been saved, and not only in the U.S. The ghettos of our major cities would not be drug-and-crime-infested no-man&#8217;s lands. Fewer people would be in jails, and fewer jails would have been built.</p>
<p>Columbia, Bolivia and Peru would not be suffering from narco-terror, and we would not be distorting our foreign policy because of narco-terror. Hell would not, in the words with which Billy Sunday welcomed Prohibition, &#8220;be forever for rent,&#8221; but it would be a lot emptier.</p>
<p>Decriminalizing drugs is even more urgent now than in 1972, but we must recognize that the harm done in the interim cannot be wiped out, certainly not immediately. Postponing decriminalization will only make matters worse, and make the problem appear even more intractable.</p>
<p>Alcohol and tobacco cause many more deaths in users than do drugs. Decriminalization would not prevent us from treating drugs as we now treat alcohol and tobacco: prohibiting sales of drugs to minors, outlawing the advertising of drugs and similar measures. Such measures could be enforced, while outright prohibition cannot be. Moreover, if even a small fraction of the money we now spend on trying to enforce drug prohibition were devoted to treatment and rehabilitation, in an atmosphere of compassion not punishment, the reduction in drug usage and in the harm done to the users could be dramatic.</p>
<p>This plea comes from the bottom of my heart. Every friend of freedom, and I know you are one, must be as revolted as I am by the prospect of turning the United States into an armed camp, by the vision of jails filled with casual drug users and of an army of enforcers empowered to invade the liberty of citizens on slight evidence. A country in which shooting down unidentified planes &#8220;on suspicion&#8221; can be seriously considered as a drug-war tactic is not the kind of United States that either you or I want to hand on to future generations. </p>
<p><i>Today is Milton Friedman Day.  IMHO, every day should be.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Fenevad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fenevad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a question on the economics of legalization, one that bears directly on the cost issue. Does anyone have any idea what the risk premium on drug prices might be? I.e., even if supply were not to change (in a hypothetical world), but drugs were to be legalized, what would the impact on the price be since the risk of delivery would vanish and all of the supply infrastructure that has appeared to mitigate that risk would no longer be needed? As a starting point for speculation on the price of drugs and the impetus for associated crime by users to fund habits, some idea of that change alone would go a long way.

Also, from Hawkins post and from the rants of his commenters, I presume that he assumes a steady state model in production: i.e., production would stay in the same places and be subject to the same methods now employed. Aside from that I can see no way for any of them to assume that legalization would somehow benefit &quot;terrorists&quot;. After all, if legalization took place and I could plant a crop of poppies in my back yard (not that I want to), I would be cutting funding from the terrorists by becoming a domestic supplier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a question on the economics of legalization, one that bears directly on the cost issue. Does anyone have any idea what the risk premium on drug prices might be? I.e., even if supply were not to change (in a hypothetical world), but drugs were to be legalized, what would the impact on the price be since the risk of delivery would vanish and all of the supply infrastructure that has appeared to mitigate that risk would no longer be needed? As a starting point for speculation on the price of drugs and the impetus for associated crime by users to fund habits, some idea of that change alone would go a long way.</p>
<p>Also, from Hawkins post and from the rants of his commenters, I presume that he assumes a steady state model in production: i.e., production would stay in the same places and be subject to the same methods now employed. Aside from that I can see no way for any of them to assume that legalization would somehow benefit &#8220;terrorists&#8221;. After all, if legalization took place and I could plant a crop of poppies in my back yard (not that I want to), I would be cutting funding from the terrorists by becoming a domestic supplier.</p>
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		<title>By: Anwyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anwyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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