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		<title>By: VA Tech Killer Identified But Motive Still Unclear « Foehammer&#8217;s Anvil</title>
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		<dc:creator>VA Tech Killer Identified But Motive Still Unclear « Foehammer&#8217;s Anvil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] He used at least one 9 MM pistol. These pistols can generally hold a maximum of 16 shots fully loaded &#8212; 1 in the chamber and 15 in a clip. Clips are very fast to reload and the rate of fire can easily be 1 per second with a pull of the trigger. The serial numbers were filed off any weapons recovered. This is done to hide someone&#8217;s identity, but if this man was planning on killing himself and leaving a note, he certainly wasn&#8217;t worried about hiding his identity. Authorities will no-doubt seek to find the sellers of the weapon(s) used. An INS Green Card is often enough to be able to legally purchase a license to carry firearms. This aspect of U.S. law certainly needs closer examination. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] He used at least one 9 MM pistol. These pistols can generally hold a maximum of 16 shots fully loaded &#8212; 1 in the chamber and 15 in a clip. Clips are very fast to reload and the rate of fire can easily be 1 per second with a pull of the trigger. The serial numbers were filed off any weapons recovered. This is done to hide someone&#8217;s identity, but if this man was planning on killing himself and leaving a note, he certainly wasn&#8217;t worried about hiding his identity. Authorities will no-doubt seek to find the sellers of the weapon(s) used. An INS Green Card is often enough to be able to legally purchase a license to carry firearms. This aspect of U.S. law certainly needs closer examination. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Poshboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Poshboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was wondering about the effect of the Parker ruling on import restrictions under GCA. 

Even though the other side says rights are not absolute, as being unable to possess certain kinds of pornography does not violate the 1A, there are no US Customs restrictions on the importation of 99.5% of books.  Why would the 2A be subject to a lesser standard?  A right is a right.

I think if the militia-only firearm standard is applied to imports, almost everything under a 155mm howitzer would be allowed.  US Army infantry units, such as a company-sized unit equivalent to an effective militia unit, are supported in their mission by artillery and tanks.  Why would a &quot;well-regulated&quot; militia under the 2A not be backed up by proper support units?  19th C. state militia infantry units certainly had artillery units attached to support them.

Certainly tactical missles could be banned--as &quot;no right is absolute,&quot; as they say--but what is the upper limit?  

By the barest interpretation of a militia standard for firearms, full auto would have to be allowed in again.  The line would undoubtedly be drawn somewhere in the Destructive Devices category.

The Volokh Conspiracy law blog has an excellent discussion of where the line should be drawn.  There are a lot of idiots out there who have no clue about firearms but still manage to form an opinion, however...

Link here:
http://volokh.com/posts/1173753555.shtml

--PB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wondering about the effect of the Parker ruling on import restrictions under GCA. </p>
<p>Even though the other side says rights are not absolute, as being unable to possess certain kinds of pornography does not violate the 1A, there are no US Customs restrictions on the importation of 99.5% of books.  Why would the 2A be subject to a lesser standard?  A right is a right.</p>
<p>I think if the militia-only firearm standard is applied to imports, almost everything under a 155mm howitzer would be allowed.  US Army infantry units, such as a company-sized unit equivalent to an effective militia unit, are supported in their mission by artillery and tanks.  Why would a &#8220;well-regulated&#8221; militia under the 2A not be backed up by proper support units?  19th C. state militia infantry units certainly had artillery units attached to support them.</p>
<p>Certainly tactical missles could be banned&#8211;as &#8220;no right is absolute,&#8221; as they say&#8211;but what is the upper limit?  </p>
<p>By the barest interpretation of a militia standard for firearms, full auto would have to be allowed in again.  The line would undoubtedly be drawn somewhere in the Destructive Devices category.</p>
<p>The Volokh Conspiracy law blog has an excellent discussion of where the line should be drawn.  There are a lot of idiots out there who have no clue about firearms but still manage to form an opinion, however&#8230;</p>
<p>Link here:<br />
<a href="http://volokh.com/posts/1173753555.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://volokh.com/posts/1173753555.shtml</a></p>
<p>&#8211;PB</p>
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		<title>By: SayUncle &#187; More on Parker &#38; Hughes</title>
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		<dc:creator>SayUncle &#187; More on Parker &#38; Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] noted the comparisons here. Now, GLN wants some info. He notes: Parker v. District of Columbia challenged D.C. law based upon [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] noted the comparisons here. Now, GLN wants some info. He notes: Parker v. District of Columbia challenged D.C. law based upon [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jim from FSU Law</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim from FSU Law</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FN makes the P90 and PS90 domestically, so I dont think this would be much of a problem. I&#039;m aware of the GCA&#039;s effect on importation. 

In any case, gunsmithing machine guns into existance will be expensive but way less expensive than the cost of dealing with the post 86 shortages. I would probably form 1 a krink into existance for fun if the 86 ban ever goes away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FN makes the P90 and PS90 domestically, so I dont think this would be much of a problem. I&#8217;m aware of the GCA&#8217;s effect on importation. </p>
<p>In any case, gunsmithing machine guns into existance will be expensive but way less expensive than the cost of dealing with the post 86 shortages. I would probably form 1 a krink into existance for fun if the 86 ban ever goes away.</p>
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		<title>By: Nomen Nescio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nomen Nescio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>come to think of that, if this ruling stands then the meaning of &quot;the people&quot; really &lt;i&gt;might&lt;/i&gt; have to be worked out in detail. 

most people seem to agree that extending first-amendment rights (for example) to just about every competent adult on U.S. territory is no big deal, and might even be a good thing, but letting just anybody own guns is another matter entirely. as a green card holder myself, i confess &lt;i&gt;i&#039;m&lt;/i&gt; not too sure i should be allowed to own just any kind of weaponry until i get my citizenship.

(i have access to a couple of shotguns, as it happens, but neither of them are technically owned by me. personally, i&#039;d be leery of buying a handgun in my own name until i got naturalized; long guns, less so. it&#039;s not a matter of legal right to own weapons, either; it just doesn&#039;t seem polite to my host country, in my eyes.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>come to think of that, if this ruling stands then the meaning of &#8220;the people&#8221; really <i>might</i> have to be worked out in detail. </p>
<p>most people seem to agree that extending first-amendment rights (for example) to just about every competent adult on U.S. territory is no big deal, and might even be a good thing, but letting just anybody own guns is another matter entirely. as a green card holder myself, i confess <i>i&#8217;m</i> not too sure i should be allowed to own just any kind of weaponry until i get my citizenship.</p>
<p>(i have access to a couple of shotguns, as it happens, but neither of them are technically owned by me. personally, i&#8217;d be leery of buying a handgun in my own name until i got naturalized; long guns, less so. it&#8217;s not a matter of legal right to own weapons, either; it just doesn&#8217;t seem polite to my host country, in my eyes.)</p>
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		<title>By: nk</title>
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		<dc:creator>nk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 01:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The people&quot; is where the focus will be.  Are eighteen year olds (as opposed to twenty-one year olds) people?  Non-citizens?  Non-permanent residents.  Illegal aliens?  They are under the First Amendment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The people&#8221; is where the focus will be.  Are eighteen year olds (as opposed to twenty-one year olds) people?  Non-citizens?  Non-permanent residents.  Illegal aliens?  They are under the First Amendment.</p>
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		<title>By: Tam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If the ruling only stands in the D.C. Circuit, then post-1986 weapons can only be legally sold in D.C., but so what? Anyone living in a state that allows them could just travel there,&quot;

Not really. You can purchase an NFA weapon out of state, sure, but it would still need to be tranferred to you through an SOT in your home state. So not so much with the driving to DC for your AK fix.

Also, to the guy who is doing the happy dog dance at the thought of his own P90: Only if it&#039;s built by FN at its South Carolina plant. Imported machineguns are still a no-no under GCA &#039;68, not the Hughes Amendment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If the ruling only stands in the D.C. Circuit, then post-1986 weapons can only be legally sold in D.C., but so what? Anyone living in a state that allows them could just travel there,&#8221;</p>
<p>Not really. You can purchase an NFA weapon out of state, sure, but it would still need to be tranferred to you through an SOT in your home state. So not so much with the driving to DC for your AK fix.</p>
<p>Also, to the guy who is doing the happy dog dance at the thought of his own P90: Only if it&#8217;s built by FN at its South Carolina plant. Imported machineguns are still a no-no under GCA &#8216;68, not the Hughes Amendment.</p>
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		<title>By: Nomen Nescio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nomen Nescio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>now, i&#039;m no lawyer and have no desire to play one on the internet. but if i had such a perverse desire, then this:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Once it is determined - as we have done - that handguns are “Arms” [...]&lt;/blockquote&gt;

...is where i&#039;d start making that argument. now, granted, it&#039;d take a twisting of plain English into scarcely imaginable pretzels to determine that fully automatic weapons (but not semiauto pistols!) do not constitute &quot;arms&quot;... but that&#039;s exactly the sort of logic i, as a non-lawyer, have come to expect out of the U.S. legal system, and especially the supreme court.

plus, i see a political incentive for them to do so. semiauto pistols are reasonably well accepted, so the &lt;i&gt;Parker&lt;/i&gt; ruling couldn&#039;t really be overturned without some outcry; but fully-auto anything is reviled, and could not be set free again without serious outcry. knowing that the SCOTUS is a very political beast, it wouldn&#039;t much surprise me to see them twisting in this direction, frankly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>now, i&#8217;m no lawyer and have no desire to play one on the internet. but if i had such a perverse desire, then this:</p>
<blockquote><p>Once it is determined &#8211; as we have done &#8211; that handguns are “Arms” [...]</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230;is where i&#8217;d start making that argument. now, granted, it&#8217;d take a twisting of plain English into scarcely imaginable pretzels to determine that fully automatic weapons (but not semiauto pistols!) do not constitute &#8220;arms&#8221;&#8230; but that&#8217;s exactly the sort of logic i, as a non-lawyer, have come to expect out of the U.S. legal system, and especially the supreme court.</p>
<p>plus, i see a political incentive for them to do so. semiauto pistols are reasonably well accepted, so the <i>Parker</i> ruling couldn&#8217;t really be overturned without some outcry; but fully-auto anything is reviled, and could not be set free again without serious outcry. knowing that the SCOTUS is a very political beast, it wouldn&#8217;t much surprise me to see them twisting in this direction, frankly.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim from FSU Law</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim from FSU Law</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 01:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, it doesnt matter if the ruling only holds in the DC Circuit.

I refer you to 28 USC 1391 (e), the appropriate venue for bringing suit against a government official. Tell me, if you wanted to sue the director of the ATF or the attorney general, where does he reside in his official capacity? 

The answer is in washington DC. In the DC Circuit. We can bring cases against ATF administrative decisions. We can bring suits challenging federal laws themselves. All in DC. 

The only downside is a slightly stricter standing rule than other circuits have, but all we need is a denied form 1 and we are in the same exact sitaution as the police officer plaintiff in Parker. And boom, no more 86 ban. I can finally get a lightning link for my AR! I can finally buy a P90! I can finally put an auto sear in my saiga 12 and cut the barrel down to 12 inches! My cup runneth over! Hahahahaha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it doesnt matter if the ruling only holds in the DC Circuit.</p>
<p>I refer you to 28 USC 1391 (e), the appropriate venue for bringing suit against a government official. Tell me, if you wanted to sue the director of the ATF or the attorney general, where does he reside in his official capacity? </p>
<p>The answer is in washington DC. In the DC Circuit. We can bring cases against ATF administrative decisions. We can bring suits challenging federal laws themselves. All in DC. </p>
<p>The only downside is a slightly stricter standing rule than other circuits have, but all we need is a denied form 1 and we are in the same exact sitaution as the police officer plaintiff in Parker. And boom, no more 86 ban. I can finally get a lightning link for my AR! I can finally buy a P90! I can finally put an auto sear in my saiga 12 and cut the barrel down to 12 inches! My cup runneth over! Hahahahaha.</p>
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		<title>By: SayUncle &#187; DC: Gun Owner&#8217;s Mecca?</title>
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		<dc:creator>SayUncle &#187; DC: Gun Owner&#8217;s Mecca?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] On the Hughes amendment: If it does, I defy you to show how a different result would obtain if you subsituted </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] On the Hughes amendment: If it does, I defy you to show how a different result would obtain if you subsituted</p>
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