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	<title>Comments on: Murphy&#8217;s Law on Slippery Slopes</title>
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		<title>By: Xrlq</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2007/09/18/murphys-law-on-slippery-slopes/comment-page-1/#comment-177518</link>
		<dc:creator>Xrlq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wulf, the fallacy lies in the fact that while it is often true that allowing A now will increase the odds of B happening later, it is also possible to have A and not end up with B later.  Since A does not logically entail B, it is considered a &quot;fallacy.&quot;  However, that doesn&#039;t mean the argument is wrong, as A may very well lead to B, even if it&#039;s not guaranteed to.

My point here, though, is that the wish factor seems to be at play, &lt;i&gt;i.e.,&lt;/i&gt; no one ever expects A to lead to B unless also they think B is bad.  In reality, of course, &quot;good&quot; slopes are no more likely to be slippery than &quot;bad&quot; ones are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wulf, the fallacy lies in the fact that while it is often true that allowing A now will increase the odds of B happening later, it is also possible to have A and not end up with B later.  Since A does not logically entail B, it is considered a &#8220;fallacy.&#8221;  However, that doesn&#8217;t mean the argument is wrong, as A may very well lead to B, even if it&#8217;s not guaranteed to.</p>
<p>My point here, though, is that the wish factor seems to be at play, <i>i.e.,</i> no one ever expects A to lead to B unless also they think B is bad.  In reality, of course, &#8220;good&#8221; slopes are no more likely to be slippery than &#8220;bad&#8221; ones are.</p>
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		<title>By: bob r</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Billy Beck&#039;s take on the &quot;slippery slope&quot; fallacy: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.two--four.net/weblog.php?id=P3197&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Slippery Slope&quot; Notes&lt;/a&gt;.

He has a good argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Billy Beck&#8217;s take on the &#8220;slippery slope&#8221; fallacy: <a href="http://www.two--four.net/weblog.php?id=P3197" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Slippery Slope&#8221; Notes</a>.</p>
<p>He has a good argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Metulj</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2007/09/18/murphys-law-on-slippery-slopes/comment-page-1/#comment-176917</link>
		<dc:creator>Metulj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 01:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gattsuru is right. It fails both the test of sufficiency and the test of necessity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gattsuru is right. It fails both the test of sufficiency and the test of necessity.</p>
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		<title>By: gattsuru</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2007/09/18/murphys-law-on-slippery-slopes/comment-page-1/#comment-176899</link>
		<dc:creator>gattsuru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it is a fallacy : just because X is more similar to Y than W, doesn&#039;t mean action X will lead to Y or Z.  That itself, is the fallacy, and it&#039;s remarkably common.

  As soon as you present a reason, you&#039;re no longer using the slippery slope argument, and instead relying on... well, usually appeal to emotion, appeal to authority, or non sequitur, usually, but sometimes we slip up and toss a logical statement in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it is a fallacy : just because X is more similar to Y than W, doesn&#8217;t mean action X will lead to Y or Z.  That itself, is the fallacy, and it&#8217;s remarkably common.</p>
<p>  As soon as you present a reason, you&#8217;re no longer using the slippery slope argument, and instead relying on&#8230; well, usually appeal to emotion, appeal to authority, or non sequitur, usually, but sometimes we slip up and toss a logical statement in.</p>
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		<title>By: Wulf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wulf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I pointed out to my friends a few weeks ago, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.atlasblogged.com/archives/2007/08/the_value_of_th.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;whole point&lt;/a&gt; of the slippery slope argument is that if there are not differences in principle between positions A, B, C, etc., then the differences in degree are completely arbitrary.  It drives me nuts that some people think this is a fallacious argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I pointed out to my friends a few weeks ago, the <a href="http://www.atlasblogged.com/archives/2007/08/the_value_of_th.php" rel="nofollow">whole point</a> of the slippery slope argument is that if there are not differences in principle between positions A, B, C, etc., then the differences in degree are completely arbitrary.  It drives me nuts that some people think this is a fallacious argument.</p>
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		<title>By: trainer</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2007/09/18/murphys-law-on-slippery-slopes/comment-page-1/#comment-176871</link>
		<dc:creator>trainer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for the DC decision...whatever it turns out to be will be limited as much as possible.

1st amendment decisions seem to always be interpreted as widely as possible.  I don&#039;t see that happening with 2A decisions, altho they&#039;re haven&#039;t been many.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for the DC decision&#8230;whatever it turns out to be will be limited as much as possible.</p>
<p>1st amendment decisions seem to always be interpreted as widely as possible.  I don&#8217;t see that happening with 2A decisions, altho they&#8217;re haven&#8217;t been many.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Beck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy Beck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slippery Slope Notes

http://www.two--four.net/weblog.php?id=P3197

At your service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slippery Slope Notes</p>
<p><a href="http://www.two--four.net/weblog.php?id=P3197" rel="nofollow">http://www.two&#8211;four.net/weblog.php?id=P3197</a></p>
<p>At your service.</p>
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		<title>By: gattsuru</title>
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		<dc:creator>gattsuru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D&#039;oh.

I didn&#039;t say it wouldn&#039;t accomplish anything, or about the long-term ramifications, but just that the court case itself would only apply meaningfully to DC&#039;s gun ban (or potential federal bans).  Even if we win incorporation in a separate case, it would still only apply against a very limited area.

Good point about the fallacy fallacy, though.  Too many people ignore that fallacies just show the failure of one argument, not of the assumption, and that each fallacy is a lot more limited than the normal assumption is (it&#039;s an ad hominem fallacy to claim gun control is bad because Hitler did it, but not one to show how it didn&#039;t work out well when Hitler did it).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D&#8217;oh.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t say it wouldn&#8217;t accomplish anything, or about the long-term ramifications, but just that the court case itself would only apply meaningfully to DC&#8217;s gun ban (or potential federal bans).  Even if we win incorporation in a separate case, it would still only apply against a very limited area.</p>
<p>Good point about the fallacy fallacy, though.  Too many people ignore that fallacies just show the failure of one argument, not of the assumption, and that each fallacy is a lot more limited than the normal assumption is (it&#8217;s an ad hominem fallacy to claim gun control is bad because Hitler did it, but not one to show how it didn&#8217;t work out well when Hitler did it).</p>
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		<title>By: SayUncle &#187; Fallacies</title>
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		<dc:creator>SayUncle &#187; Fallacies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Xrlq gets his logic on. [...]</description>
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