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	<title>Comments on: Kitty Genovese Goes Mainstream</title>
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		<title>By: Sigivald</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2008/06/20/kitty-genovese-goes-mainstream/comment-page-1/#comment-418147</link>
		<dc:creator>Sigivald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not a dozen, half a dozen.

And as it says, some of them tried to intervene vocally, and some searched for weaponry.

And at least one of them, being young and female, doubtless didn&#039;t feel capable of attacking a reasonably buff &lt;i&gt;murderous psycho&lt;/i&gt; unarmed and without organized backup.

I do not share the evidently common blog-reaction that these &lt;i&gt;unarmed&lt;/i&gt; strangers who we know little about had a duty to physically attack someone who was &lt;i&gt;obviously crazy&lt;/i&gt; (what with the talk about &quot;demons&quot; and the murdering) - and therefore potentially even more dangerous than just a random criminal, and who looks, from the pictures I&#039;ve seen, as if he was at least reasonably fit.

If the bystanders had been &lt;i&gt;armed&lt;/i&gt;, their inaction might be culpable or &quot;unjustifiable&quot;. But they weren&#039;t.

And many of them, unlike people I know, probably didn&#039;t even have a plausible improvised weapon in their vehicles, let alone a real one, since they live in California.

(Also, two more things:

A) Unlike the myth of the Genovese killing, these people did call the police, who responded swiftly and immediately, and did intervene personally and directly - just not by attempting to overpower the madman.

B) The Genovese story most of us know is a myth; witnesses &lt;i&gt;did&lt;/i&gt; call the police, who were slow to respond.

They also did &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; see her get killed, and &lt;i&gt;did&lt;/i&gt; see her up and moving after the initial attack (which therefore looked like a mugging, not a murder attempt.

The myth of nobody caring and &quot;watching her die&quot; was a great newspaper story. It just wasn&#039;t actually true.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a dozen, half a dozen.</p>
<p>And as it says, some of them tried to intervene vocally, and some searched for weaponry.</p>
<p>And at least one of them, being young and female, doubtless didn&#8217;t feel capable of attacking a reasonably buff <i>murderous psycho</i> unarmed and without organized backup.</p>
<p>I do not share the evidently common blog-reaction that these <i>unarmed</i> strangers who we know little about had a duty to physically attack someone who was <i>obviously crazy</i> (what with the talk about &#8220;demons&#8221; and the murdering) &#8211; and therefore potentially even more dangerous than just a random criminal, and who looks, from the pictures I&#8217;ve seen, as if he was at least reasonably fit.</p>
<p>If the bystanders had been <i>armed</i>, their inaction might be culpable or &#8220;unjustifiable&#8221;. But they weren&#8217;t.</p>
<p>And many of them, unlike people I know, probably didn&#8217;t even have a plausible improvised weapon in their vehicles, let alone a real one, since they live in California.</p>
<p>(Also, two more things:</p>
<p>A) Unlike the myth of the Genovese killing, these people did call the police, who responded swiftly and immediately, and did intervene personally and directly &#8211; just not by attempting to overpower the madman.</p>
<p>B) The Genovese story most of us know is a myth; witnesses <i>did</i> call the police, who were slow to respond.</p>
<p>They also did <i>not</i> see her get killed, and <i>did</i> see her up and moving after the initial attack (which therefore looked like a mugging, not a murder attempt.</p>
<p>The myth of nobody caring and &#8220;watching her die&#8221; was a great newspaper story. It just wasn&#8217;t actually true.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ride Fast</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ride Fast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, except about the Cali part. If you can&#039;t carry weapon A you carry weapon B. Weapon B should&#039;ve been enough, &#039;cept nobody there had a weapon of any kind, apparently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, except about the Cali part. If you can&#8217;t carry weapon A you carry weapon B. Weapon B should&#8217;ve been enough, &#8216;cept nobody there had a weapon of any kind, apparently.</p>
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		<title>By: nk</title>
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		<dc:creator>nk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 03:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s something there.  I recommend to everybody to find a way to learn how to hit and get hit.  Play football, join a boxing club, a full-contact martial arts class, just to learn to not be afraid to mix it up.

It&#039;s not just California.  It&#039;s most of the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s something there.  I recommend to everybody to find a way to learn how to hit and get hit.  Play football, join a boxing club, a full-contact martial arts class, just to learn to not be afraid to mix it up.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not just California.  It&#8217;s most of the world.</p>
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