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Lean Left » Blog Archive » The PSH Escalates — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 18:21:50 +0000

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By: Xrlq

Xrlq — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:48:45 +0000

Calling a comparison “shrill” does not make it so. For all your protestations over the Klan analogy (klanalogy?), you have yet to offer a shred of evidence that it is *inaccurate.* No, Trinity hasn’t lynched anyone, but it’s been a long time since the Klan has, either.

As to Palin, you are correct that I like her politics and couldn’t care less about her religion. That would change if she joined a church that officially endorsed the White Value System, stressed its commitment to the white community and the white family, urged its members to be soldiers for white freedom, and routinely inveighed against black America.

By: tgirsch

tgirsch — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:01:20 +0000

(And I suspect the real reason Palin’s religious nuttery doesn’t bother you is because you like her politically, and could give a shit about the wacky church stuff…)

By: tgirsch

tgirsch — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:00:26 +0000

You know, if you keep insisting on comparing that church to the Klan, you have your answer as to why almost nobody takes your charges seriously. Shrill is as shrill does.

By: Xrlq

Xrlq — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:59:04 +0000

Correction: the nonsense you recited here about the inconsequential crap one visiting pastor said once at a church Palin isn’t even a member of anymore doesn’t bother me at all, because it’s, well, nonsense, made even more nonsensical by the fact that you are raising it as though it were remotely analogous to remaining a member of a church for 20 years whose lead pastor spewed comparable hate every Sunday, and who didn’t quit until after the hater-in-chief had stopped just hating America and started hating on Obama personally. Even everyone’s favorite Klansman, Robert Byrd, had the good sense to quit the Klan before running for office.

By: tgirsch

tgirsch — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 04:00:12 +0000

But the crap they spew at Palin’s church doesn’t bother you at all, because she’s pro-gun and Republican, so apparently being anti-Jew is something you’re willing to look past…

By: Xrlq

Xrlq — Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:26:04 +0000

These two quotes were and are anything but atypical of the crap they spew at Trinity on a regular basis. The reason it’s newsworthy is because it’s atypical of what one would expect to be taught in churches generally, not this church in particular.

Regarding my other “hyperbole,” it sounds like my Warren Court analogy was terribly unfair to the Warren Court.

By: tgirsch

tgirsch — Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:57:56 +0000

We may not have had a member of those other churches running for office, but every GOP nominee in recent memory has pandered extensively to those churches, including the current one.

As for the in-context vs. out-of-context nature of the Wright quotes, you’re not going to get me to defend much of what he says — I’m an atheist, he’s a Christian, so I’m bound to disagree with most of what he says. But that said, calling the “God damn America” quote “hate speech” is a bridge too far. There’s a bit of hate speech in that sermon, all right, but that wasn’t it — it’s what he called Condi Rice that crossed that particular line.

But here’s the rub, though: You classified the church itself as a “hate group.” So even if one takes the two sermons you mentioned to be “hate speech” — a big stretch, in my estimation — you still have to say that those sermons were typical of what was said on the pulpit on any given Sunday, when in fact the very reason they got any press at all was because of how unusual they were.

But, of course, if a politician’s pastor gives a controversial sermon, that should disqualify that politician from higher office, even if that politician wasn’t present for that sermon. Unless, of course, that politician is a woman with an R after her name, and the pastor in question in melanin-impaired, in which case, move along, people, there’s nothing to see here, it doesn’t matter if she’s there and if she doesn’t get up and walk out. That’s totally different.

By: Xrlq

Xrlq — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 22:22:38 +0000

“Out of context,” my ass. The comment is every bit as offensive in its original context as in any other. And no, it’s not the only hate comment Jeremiah Wright has made in the pulpit. How about the gem he dropped the very first Sunday after 9/11? Or the churches overtly racist mission statement?

Yes, other churches exist that can also be described as hate groups. Save the comparisons for when a member of one of those churches runs for office.

By: tgirsch

tgirsch — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 21:47:08 +0000

[Apologies if this double-posts.]

If one out-of-context controversial statement a hate group makes, you’ll be hard pressed to find churches that aren’t hate groups. Thomas Road Baptist must be the mother of all hate groups. And don’t even get started about the CBN…