Comments on: All I Am Saying Is We Already Gave Keyes a Chance

By: Xrlq

Xrlq — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:33:10 +0000

RJ, I’m inclined to agree, of course, but do have a follow-up question or two for your source at Gibson, Dunn, or anyone else who specializes in immigration law. The tinfoil hat crowd argues that Obama had to be born on U.S. soil to be a natural born citizen, as 1961 law would otherwise required both of his parents to be citizens (which his father wasn’t), or his mother to be older than she was at the time. Can your source confirm or deny whether U.S. law actually so provided in 1961 (Lexis only goes back to the early 1990s)? And if it did, does that matter, or can today’s law retroactively make “natural born citizens” out of individuals who, paradoxically, would not have been considered natural born citizens under the law that existed at the time of their birth?

By: RJ Reid

RJ Reid — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:30:23 +0000

And Obama cannot give up his citizenship as a child, he can only renounce his citizen ship as an adult, which he never did as a child or an adult. Like I said, a bunch of conservatives are spitting in the wind and Keyes or anybody elses challenge to Obama’s vailid claim to the presidency, well they all might as well claim they saw Bigfoot taking a bath in Alan Keyes bathroom, that might go farther in court than any of these legal challenges to Obama’s presidency.

By: RJ Reid

RJ Reid — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:22:44 +0000

Look, I just got done talking with a practicing appellate and constitutional lawyer and a practicing immigration lawyer on this “Obama citizenship” issue. This is their reply which a bunch of you hoping to nullify the election should hear. I quote: “As a child of an American citizen, Obama would be, and is, a natural born citizen, until and as an adult, he renounced that citizenship. It does not matter in any legal context where he was born or as a child may have held citizenship, provided that one parent, as in this case his mother, was a legal citizen of the US.” So Keyes and the rest of the far right are just spitting in the wind trying to nullify Obama’s election and eligibility to serve as president. Keyes, and none of these other suits being filed will be heard or put on a docket. And that is the opinion of the practicing appellate and constitutional law firm of Gibson, Dunn, and Croutcher, the most respected and considered to be the best appellate and constitutional law firm by The National Law Journal. Arguing Obama’s legal citizenship status any further is just plain stupid.

By: ANS

ANS — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 03:56:07 +0000

Holy fucking shit who left the door to the asylum open?

By: tgirsch

tgirsch — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:45:24 +0000

Heck, politics is one of the few areas of life where I'm not full of crap! :) Most other areas, I'll freely admit to it! tgirsch´s last blog post..The Bush Legacy

By: Xrlq

Xrlq — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:41:48 +0000

ParatrooperJJ: On what do you base this? If you were naturally born a citizen, how are you not a natural born citizen? Hell, I could even see the argument that a person who was born a citizen, renounced his citizenship, and did not re-naturalize would still be a natural-born citizen, just not a citizen. Just like your ex-wife may no longer be your wife, but she’s still your first wife. And if you remarry her later, she’s both.

TGirsch: That’s OK. You’re a liberal; you’re supposed to be full of crap.

By: ParatrooperJJ

ParatrooperJJ — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:52:37 +0000

XRLQ – If Obama gave up his citizenship and then renaturalized, then he would be a naturalized citizen and not eligible.

By: tgirsch

tgirsch — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:21:14 +0000

you are so full of crap your eyes are brown. Hey, wait a minute! I have brown eyes! :) tgirsch´s last blog post..The Bush Legacy

By: Xrlq

Xrlq — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:10:36 +0000

GunGeek: even if it were true that Obama involuntarily surrendered his citizenship as a kid and had to re-naturalize later, so what? He’s still a natural born citizen. Even if your first marriage ends in a nasty divorce, she’ll always be your first wife.

Phenicks: you are so full of crap your eyes are brown. I was born in a hospital in Illinois, and got a “Certificate of Live Birth.” So too did both of my sons, born in CA and VA, respectively. All three certificates do indeed certify when and where we were born, not just that we were in fact babies. Ditto for Obama’s birth certificate, which states he was born in the City of Honolulu, on the Island of Oahu, on August 4, 1961, at 7:24 p.m. (Standard Time, if you care; they don’t do DST in HI). At least the first commenter to raise this unfounded speculation had the good sense to label his unfounded speculation as such.

By: Phenicks

Phenicks — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:14:53 +0000

Their is a difference between a Certificate of Live Birth (CLB) and a Birth Certificate (BC). A BC is a witnessed live birth at a hospital or medical center, or attended by licensed MD, Nurse Practitioner or Midwife. CLBs are issued to those who show up to the hospital w/ a baby (usually up to a week after birth). Think home birth w/o licensed medical care, Amish, immigrant community, etc. It’s the state saying “yep it’s a baby”, but unable to certify where or when exactly it was born.