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	<title>Comments on: Harry Reid&#8217;s Constitution</title>
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		<title>By: Kristopher</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2009/01/06/harry-reids-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-473201</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So ... exactly when is the majority NOT assholes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So &#8230; exactly when is the majority NOT assholes?</p>
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		<title>By: Xrlq</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xrlq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sigivald, I&#039;m not disputing the power of the Senate to refuse to seat a putative Senator if the election were tainted.  That&#039;s not the case here, though.  All that&#039;s tainted is the SOB who did the electing.  That&#039;s like refusing to seat a democratically elected Senator on the theory that the majority who elected the guy were assholes.

That said, if Reid et al. really do want to &quot;win&quot; this, they probably can, by making a kangaroo court &quot;finding&quot; that Burris bribed his way into office, and relying on the political question doctrine to keep the courts from re-visiting the issue.  But once we go that route, watch for the first Republican Congress over the next 6 years (if indeed there is one) to impeach Obama for the high crime and misdemeanor of &quot;being a douchebag.&quot;  No court would rule on that, either, so if &quot;abiding by the Constitution&quot; means &quot;doing stuff courts will let us get away with,&quot; then there really aren&#039;t all that many limits, after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigivald, I&#8217;m not disputing the power of the Senate to refuse to seat a putative Senator if the election were tainted.  That&#8217;s not the case here, though.  All that&#8217;s tainted is the SOB who did the electing.  That&#8217;s like refusing to seat a democratically elected Senator on the theory that the majority who elected the guy were assholes.</p>
<p>That said, if Reid et al. really do want to &#8220;win&#8221; this, they probably can, by making a kangaroo court &#8220;finding&#8221; that Burris bribed his way into office, and relying on the political question doctrine to keep the courts from re-visiting the issue.  But once we go that route, watch for the first Republican Congress over the next 6 years (if indeed there is one) to impeach Obama for the high crime and misdemeanor of &#8220;being a douchebag.&#8221;  No court would rule on that, either, so if &#8220;abiding by the Constitution&#8221; means &#8220;doing stuff courts will let us get away with,&#8221; then there really aren&#8217;t all that many limits, after all.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So ... is the Illinois Secretary of State claiming that Blago didn&#039;t elect Burris?

They should consider themselves lucky Blago didn&#039;t appoint himself to the post.

Ain&#039;t gonna fly ... I agree, nothing but political Kabuki Theatre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So &#8230; is the Illinois Secretary of State claiming that Blago didn&#8217;t elect Burris?</p>
<p>They should consider themselves lucky Blago didn&#8217;t appoint himself to the post.</p>
<p>Ain&#8217;t gonna fly &#8230; I agree, nothing but political Kabuki Theatre.</p>
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		<title>By: Sigivald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sigivald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reid is doubtless referring to Article 1, Section 5, which states (in relevant part): &lt;i&gt;Each House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members&lt;/i&gt;.

Since Gov. Blagojevich appointed the Senator with a &quot;Writ of Election&quot;, it&#039;s an election in the technical term of art in this case.

It is not &lt;i&gt;entirely&lt;/i&gt; implausible to suggest that the Senate could reject the election as &lt;i&gt;corrupt&lt;/i&gt;, on notional available evidence (just as they could on the evidence of a thoroughly corrupted general election).

I don&#039;t think Reid&#039;s right that this is &quot;clear&quot; and &quot;goes back generations&quot;, as I&#039;m not aware of it ever being &lt;i&gt;done&lt;/i&gt;.

But it&#039;s also not clearly wrong that they could refuse to seat a member in sufficiently dubious circumstances.

(I think that practically speaking the circumstances &lt;i&gt;aren&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; that dubious, as there&#039;s no evidence that this appointment involved any wrongdoing, despite the conspiracy to commit some regarding the office earlier.

In other words, I think Reid is wrong as a practical matter, and when he says &quot;do whatever we want to do&quot; as if &lt;i&gt;frivolous&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt; or &lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;arbitrary&lt;/i&gt; attempts to apply the Section 5 power would be valid - but he is at least plausibly right to the extent that he claims the Senate can refuse to seat a member if it believes his election was corrupt.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reid is doubtless referring to Article 1, Section 5, which states (in relevant part): <i>Each House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members</i>.</p>
<p>Since Gov. Blagojevich appointed the Senator with a &#8220;Writ of Election&#8221;, it&#8217;s an election in the technical term of art in this case.</p>
<p>It is not <i>entirely</i> implausible to suggest that the Senate could reject the election as <i>corrupt</i>, on notional available evidence (just as they could on the evidence of a thoroughly corrupted general election).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Reid&#8217;s right that this is &#8220;clear&#8221; and &#8220;goes back generations&#8221;, as I&#8217;m not aware of it ever being <i>done</i>.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s also not clearly wrong that they could refuse to seat a member in sufficiently dubious circumstances.</p>
<p>(I think that practically speaking the circumstances <i>aren&#8217;t</i> that dubious, as there&#8217;s no evidence that this appointment involved any wrongdoing, despite the conspiracy to commit some regarding the office earlier.</p>
<p>In other words, I think Reid is wrong as a practical matter, and when he says &#8220;do whatever we want to do&#8221; as if <i>frivolous</i><i> or </i><i>arbitrary</i> attempts to apply the Section 5 power would be valid &#8211; but he is at least plausibly right to the extent that he claims the Senate can refuse to seat a member if it believes his election was corrupt.)</p>
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