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		<title>By: trumwill</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2009/01/26/bad-loser/comment-page-1/#comment-479650</link>
		<dc:creator>trumwill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Xrlq,

In girl&#039;s basketball at that level, it is that unusual. When I first saw the score it was the &quot;0&quot; that jumped out at me. But wading through a bunch of scores, a team scoring fewer then ten points wasn&#039;t that uncommon. A team scoring over 80 was quite rare. In TDA&#039;s other games (that I could find), they allowed 55, 66, and 49 points.

That being said, I have come around to the belief that Covenant could have scored well more than they did if they&#039;d wanted to. I&#039;m not convinced that they couldn&#039;t have scored less without resorting to intentional misses. I find it unlikely that his team made much of any attempt to run down the clock as he suggests.

Which isn&#039;t to say that I think that the coach should have been fired for the game performance alone. I agree with Doc that the real problem was his open rebellion. Not that the school didn&#039;t have it coming with their open condemnation of the team, but it made his continued employment unworkable.

Also, there was a reason that this game was scheduled: these two teams are in the same district. And except for girl&#039;s basketball (and maybe other girl&#039;s sports), they deserve to be. The Academy&#039;s boys team beat Covenant&#039;s twice this season. TDA has lopsided enrollment with a lot more boys than girls, which leaves their girls in an unfortunate situation.

Scheduling and districting at private schools is a tricky business because (a) there&#039;s a scarcity of schools and (b) enrollment and gender balance can (apparently) vary wildly.  With that in mind, I do think that the league needs to have some sort of Mercy Rule. After the publicity surrounding this game, I&#039;d imagine that they&#039;re looking pretty hard at it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Xrlq,</p>
<p>In girl&#8217;s basketball at that level, it is that unusual. When I first saw the score it was the &#8220;0&#8243; that jumped out at me. But wading through a bunch of scores, a team scoring fewer then ten points wasn&#8217;t that uncommon. A team scoring over 80 was quite rare. In TDA&#8217;s other games (that I could find), they allowed 55, 66, and 49 points.</p>
<p>That being said, I have come around to the belief that Covenant could have scored well more than they did if they&#8217;d wanted to. I&#8217;m not convinced that they couldn&#8217;t have scored less without resorting to intentional misses. I find it unlikely that his team made much of any attempt to run down the clock as he suggests.</p>
<p>Which isn&#8217;t to say that I think that the coach should have been fired for the game performance alone. I agree with Doc that the real problem was his open rebellion. Not that the school didn&#8217;t have it coming with their open condemnation of the team, but it made his continued employment unworkable.</p>
<p>Also, there was a reason that this game was scheduled: these two teams are in the same district. And except for girl&#8217;s basketball (and maybe other girl&#8217;s sports), they deserve to be. The Academy&#8217;s boys team beat Covenant&#8217;s twice this season. TDA has lopsided enrollment with a lot more boys than girls, which leaves their girls in an unfortunate situation.</p>
<p>Scheduling and districting at private schools is a tricky business because (a) there&#8217;s a scarcity of schools and (b) enrollment and gender balance can (apparently) vary wildly.  With that in mind, I do think that the league needs to have some sort of Mercy Rule. After the publicity surrounding this game, I&#8217;d imagine that they&#8217;re looking pretty hard at it.</p>
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		<title>By: Xrlq</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2009/01/26/bad-loser/comment-page-1/#comment-479627</link>
		<dc:creator>Xrlq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 05:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doc, did you read Grimes&#039;s account of the game?  He says he did at least half of the things you say he should have done.  For all you or I know, truly running up the score would have resulted in a 200-0 margin, or more.  After all, 100 isn&#039;t &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; high of a score in basketball.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doc, did you read Grimes&#8217;s account of the game?  He says he did at least half of the things you say he should have done.  For all you or I know, truly running up the score would have resulted in a 200-0 margin, or more.  After all, 100 isn&#8217;t <i>that</i> high of a score in basketball.</p>
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		<title>By: nk</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2009/01/26/bad-loser/comment-page-1/#comment-479620</link>
		<dc:creator>nk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 04:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;At some point, sure, but on whose part? These teams should not have been in the same league, but it’s not Grimes’s fault that they were.&lt;/i&gt;

I think that&#039;s the real reason he was fired.  He made the &lt;strike&gt;system&lt;/strike&gt; suits look bad.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;nk&#180;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://krites.blogspot.com/2008/12/seasons-greetings-one-more-time.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Season&#039;s Greetings One More Time&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>At some point, sure, but on whose part? These teams should not have been in the same league, but it’s not Grimes’s fault that they were.</i></p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s the real reason he was fired.  He made the <strike>system</strike> suits look bad.</p>
<p><abbr><em>nk&#180;s last blog post..<a href="http://krites.blogspot.com/2008/12/seasons-greetings-one-more-time.html" rel="nofollow">Season&#8217;s Greetings One More Time</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Doc Rampage</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2009/01/26/bad-loser/comment-page-1/#comment-479618</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Rampage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 04:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Xrlq, he didn&#039;t just &quot;refuse to fall on his sword&quot;, he openly defied his bosses and took the dispute public. An honorable man resigns when he has that kind of dispute instead of forcing his bosses to fire him.

And when I said that they have the right to teach their kids that, I didn&#039;t mean the legal right, I meant the social right. I meant that this is a perfectly reasonable and good thing to teach kids, and that mocking them for it is wrong.

One more thing: I don&#039;t think anyone was suggesting that the coach should have told his team to try less hard in the second half. There are lots of other things you can do to avoid running up the score:

1. Stop the full-court press and go to a half-court zone defense.

2. Tell the team to make five passes before the shot (this is good discipline anyway).

3. Put your worst players on the floor (this would be fun for those players who don&#039;t get to play much).

4. Have your poorer scorers take all of your shots (another thing that is good for team development).

By the way, I&#039;m not necessarily against the coach on this. Going for a hundred points was probably pretty exciting for the team and I can see why he wanted to do it. And if all he did was refuse to apologize, then it would be a closer call. But when he goes public in his defiance of his boss, then either he or his boss has to go. Anyone in management will tell you that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Xrlq, he didn&#8217;t just &#8220;refuse to fall on his sword&#8221;, he openly defied his bosses and took the dispute public. An honorable man resigns when he has that kind of dispute instead of forcing his bosses to fire him.</p>
<p>And when I said that they have the right to teach their kids that, I didn&#8217;t mean the legal right, I meant the social right. I meant that this is a perfectly reasonable and good thing to teach kids, and that mocking them for it is wrong.</p>
<p>One more thing: I don&#8217;t think anyone was suggesting that the coach should have told his team to try less hard in the second half. There are lots of other things you can do to avoid running up the score:</p>
<p>1. Stop the full-court press and go to a half-court zone defense.</p>
<p>2. Tell the team to make five passes before the shot (this is good discipline anyway).</p>
<p>3. Put your worst players on the floor (this would be fun for those players who don&#8217;t get to play much).</p>
<p>4. Have your poorer scorers take all of your shots (another thing that is good for team development).</p>
<p>By the way, I&#8217;m not necessarily against the coach on this. Going for a hundred points was probably pretty exciting for the team and I can see why he wanted to do it. And if all he did was refuse to apologize, then it would be a closer call. But when he goes public in his defiance of his boss, then either he or his boss has to go. Anyone in management will tell you that.</p>
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		<title>By: trumwill</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2009/01/26/bad-loser/comment-page-1/#comment-479511</link>
		<dc:creator>trumwill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the main reason that the teams are in the same league is that for men&#039;s sports, they&#039;re competitive. TDA&#039;s men&#039;s basketball team beat Covenant&#039;s twice this year and has a better record. I think part of the problem is that TDA is a primarily male school, which makes it difficult for girls to compete with a much smaller pool from which to pick players. I think it&#039;s pretty uncommon for boys and girls sports to be in two separate leagues, but that may well be what needs to happen here.

Some additional &lt;a href=&quot;http://hitcoffee.net/index.php/file/1441&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;context&lt;/a&gt;, most of it favorable to Grimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the main reason that the teams are in the same league is that for men&#8217;s sports, they&#8217;re competitive. TDA&#8217;s men&#8217;s basketball team beat Covenant&#8217;s twice this year and has a better record. I think part of the problem is that TDA is a primarily male school, which makes it difficult for girls to compete with a much smaller pool from which to pick players. I think it&#8217;s pretty uncommon for boys and girls sports to be in two separate leagues, but that may well be what needs to happen here.</p>
<p>Some additional <a href="http://hitcoffee.net/index.php/file/1441" rel="nofollow">context</a>, most of it favorable to Grimes.</p>
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		<title>By: Xrlq</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xrlq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 01:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At some point, sure, but on whose part?  These teams should not have been in the same league, but it&#039;s not Grimes&#039;s fault that they were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At some point, sure, but on whose part?  These teams should not have been in the same league, but it&#8217;s not Grimes&#8217;s fault that they were.</p>
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		<title>By: gattsuru</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2009/01/26/bad-loser/comment-page-1/#comment-479199</link>
		<dc:creator>gattsuru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:headdesk:

Dallas Academy has a total of 20 female students at the high school grade level, and provides services emphasizing on and focused on educating those with developmental disorders that prevent them from learning well in other schools.

At some point, it starts being in bad taste.</description>
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<p>Dallas Academy has a total of 20 female students at the high school grade level, and provides services emphasizing on and focused on educating those with developmental disorders that prevent them from learning well in other schools.</p>
<p>At some point, it starts being in bad taste.</p>
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		<title>By: Loren</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2009/01/26/bad-loser/comment-page-1/#comment-479194</link>
		<dc:creator>Loren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back in 1973, I went to a newly opened high school.  The prior year the school had been a sort of middle school with only freshmen and sophomores.  Juniors and seniors went over to the high school.  When the school was made a high school, the sophomores stayed to become juniors and would be the first graduating class of the high school.

That year we played a varsity schedule in football, even though we had no seniors.  The state football league had a rule that if the point spread was more than 45 points during the second half, the game was over.  We had 3 or four games ended on us by the 45 point rule.

I was a 2nd/3rd string player on the team.  And mostly, we hated having the game ended early on us.  Most of us wanted to have the game playing experience.  And the rule denied that to us.

It also had an interesting effect on the coaching.  As I look back, I think I now understand the reluctance of the coach to play more 2nd/3rd string players, even though the 1st string wasn&#039;t being productive.  He was interested in keeping the game from being shut down more than building any depth. 

The fact that the game was ended early was more disheartening than the loss, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in 1973, I went to a newly opened high school.  The prior year the school had been a sort of middle school with only freshmen and sophomores.  Juniors and seniors went over to the high school.  When the school was made a high school, the sophomores stayed to become juniors and would be the first graduating class of the high school.</p>
<p>That year we played a varsity schedule in football, even though we had no seniors.  The state football league had a rule that if the point spread was more than 45 points during the second half, the game was over.  We had 3 or four games ended on us by the 45 point rule.</p>
<p>I was a 2nd/3rd string player on the team.  And mostly, we hated having the game ended early on us.  Most of us wanted to have the game playing experience.  And the rule denied that to us.</p>
<p>It also had an interesting effect on the coaching.  As I look back, I think I now understand the reluctance of the coach to play more 2nd/3rd string players, even though the 1st string wasn&#8217;t being productive.  He was interested in keeping the game from being shut down more than building any depth. </p>
<p>The fact that the game was ended early was more disheartening than the loss, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2009/01/26/bad-loser/comment-page-1/#comment-479184</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One article I read in an online Dallas paper said the winning team scored the 100th point with nearly 4 minutes left in the game.  And they couldn&#039;t score again?! C&#039;mon, they were shooting for 100 and didn&#039;t quit till they got there.  Then they pulled back.  Ridiculous behavior by the winning team.  When it was 56-0 at half time you have your team play defense inside the 3 point line, not full court press until it is 88-0, and run the shot clock down to 10-15 seconds before you take a shot in the second half, not score nearly 4 points a minute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One article I read in an online Dallas paper said the winning team scored the 100th point with nearly 4 minutes left in the game.  And they couldn&#8217;t score again?! C&#8217;mon, they were shooting for 100 and didn&#8217;t quit till they got there.  Then they pulled back.  Ridiculous behavior by the winning team.  When it was 56-0 at half time you have your team play defense inside the 3 point line, not full court press until it is 88-0, and run the shot clock down to 10-15 seconds before you take a shot in the second half, not score nearly 4 points a minute.</p>
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		<title>By: trumwill</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2009/01/26/bad-loser/comment-page-1/#comment-479175</link>
		<dc:creator>trumwill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Workwifdakids,

Hypercompetitiveness is a trait that frequently backfires. It makes it difficult for people to be comfortable around you, which makes it difficult for them to accept you. If you&#039;re playing racketball with the boss, who isn&#039;t as good as you are, and you have the opportunity to &quot;go for the kill&quot;, I would not recommend doing so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Workwifdakids,</p>
<p>Hypercompetitiveness is a trait that frequently backfires. It makes it difficult for people to be comfortable around you, which makes it difficult for them to accept you. If you&#8217;re playing racketball with the boss, who isn&#8217;t as good as you are, and you have the opportunity to &#8220;go for the kill&#8221;, I would not recommend doing so.</p>
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