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		<title>By: Yu-Ain Gonnano</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2009/07/12/morning-after-pills/comment-page-1/#comment-552825</link>
		<dc:creator>Yu-Ain Gonnano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, that&#039;s what I thought, but I figured I&#039;d ask.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that&#8217;s what I thought, but I figured I&#8217;d ask.</p>
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		<title>By: Xrlq</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2009/07/12/morning-after-pills/comment-page-1/#comment-552817</link>
		<dc:creator>Xrlq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nah, that won&#039;t work. The federal government has enumerated powers; states have broad &quot;police power&quot; instead. Besides, it&#039;s up to the Washington State Supreme Court, not the U.S. Supreme Court, to determine what the Washington Constitution does or does not allow.  And you can&#039;t appeal federal court decisions to a state court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nah, that won&#8217;t work. The federal government has enumerated powers; states have broad &#8220;police power&#8221; instead. Besides, it&#8217;s up to the Washington State Supreme Court, not the U.S. Supreme Court, to determine what the Washington Constitution does or does not allow.  And you can&#8217;t appeal federal court decisions to a state court.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Pollock</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2009/07/12/morning-after-pills/comment-page-1/#comment-552804</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Pollock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;How about a different tack?

Can the U.S. Supreme Court overturn a decision based on an improper application of the State Constitution?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I&#039;d say no, the state Constitution is outside SCOTUS&#039;s jurisdiction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>How about a different tack?</p>
<p>Can the U.S. Supreme Court overturn a decision based on an improper application of the State Constitution?
</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;d say no, the state Constitution is outside SCOTUS&#8217;s jurisdiction.</p>
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		<title>By: Yu-Ain Gonnano</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2009/07/12/morning-after-pills/comment-page-1/#comment-552799</link>
		<dc:creator>Yu-Ain Gonnano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about a different tack?

Can the U.S. Supreme Court overturn a decision based on an improper application of the State Constitution?

If so, could it be argued instead that the WA state constitution does not give the state the power to regulate inventories in the first place?

In effect, can you turn the question around from &quot;Where is the state prohibited from...&quot; instead to &quot;where is the state allowed to...&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about a different tack?</p>
<p>Can the U.S. Supreme Court overturn a decision based on an improper application of the State Constitution?</p>
<p>If so, could it be argued instead that the WA state constitution does not give the state the power to regulate inventories in the first place?</p>
<p>In effect, can you turn the question around from &#8220;Where is the state prohibited from&#8230;&#8221; instead to &#8220;where is the state allowed to&#8230;&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Yu-Ain Gonnano</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2009/07/12/morning-after-pills/comment-page-1/#comment-552795</link>
		<dc:creator>Yu-Ain Gonnano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>t,
I would say that depends.  There are a couple of questions here that aren&#039;t being dealt with individually.

Does he own the meat department? 

That is, if a Muslim owns his own butcher shop, can the state compel him to sell pork against his religious views?  Does that change if he won&#039;t sell it because he just thinks it tastes bad?  Do we really want the state to declare that only non-religious objections are legitimate?

If, however, he works at Kroger, well then I believe that Kroger get&#039;s to decide what inventory they stock. If they choose to remove pork from their inventory, that is fine.  If they decide that pork will stay but the employee will not have to touch nor sell the offending meat, that is fine.  If they decide that since he is unwilling to perform the job required that they will not hire him, that also is fine. 

Either way, it&#039;s not a gov&#039;t issue.  Inventory is a business owner&#039;s decision.  

Thus it is with pharmacists.

I should point out that the case in question, the plaintiff is the pharmacy owner who is compelled to stock the morning after pill, and not an employee pharmacist who was fired for not dispensing said drug.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>t,<br />
I would say that depends.  There are a couple of questions here that aren&#8217;t being dealt with individually.</p>
<p>Does he own the meat department? </p>
<p>That is, if a Muslim owns his own butcher shop, can the state compel him to sell pork against his religious views?  Does that change if he won&#8217;t sell it because he just thinks it tastes bad?  Do we really want the state to declare that only non-religious objections are legitimate?</p>
<p>If, however, he works at Kroger, well then I believe that Kroger get&#8217;s to decide what inventory they stock. If they choose to remove pork from their inventory, that is fine.  If they decide that pork will stay but the employee will not have to touch nor sell the offending meat, that is fine.  If they decide that since he is unwilling to perform the job required that they will not hire him, that also is fine. </p>
<p>Either way, it&#8217;s not a gov&#8217;t issue.  Inventory is a business owner&#8217;s decision.  </p>
<p>Thus it is with pharmacists.</p>
<p>I should point out that the case in question, the plaintiff is the pharmacy owner who is compelled to stock the morning after pill, and not an employee pharmacist who was fired for not dispensing said drug.</p>
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		<title>By: Xrlq</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2009/07/12/morning-after-pills/comment-page-1/#comment-552775</link>
		<dc:creator>Xrlq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, but he should be free to open a store of his own that does not carry pork.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, but he should be free to open a store of his own that does not carry pork.</p>
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		<title>By: tgirsch</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2009/07/12/morning-after-pills/comment-page-1/#comment-552769</link>
		<dc:creator>tgirsch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suppose a Muslim decides to take a job at his local supermarket&#039;s meat department.  Should he be able to refuse to sell any pork, and be protected from being fired by said supermarket because his refusal is based on his religion?
.-= tgirsch´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.leanleft.com/archives/2009/07/13/8250/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Everybody Cut Loose&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suppose a Muslim decides to take a job at his local supermarket&#8217;s meat department.  Should he be able to refuse to sell any pork, and be protected from being fired by said supermarket because his refusal is based on his religion?<br />
<span class="cluv"> tgirsch´s last blog ..<a href="http://www.leanleft.com/archives/2009/07/13/8250/" rel="nofollow">Everybody Cut Loose</a> </span></p>
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		<title>By: Doc Rampage</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2009/07/12/morning-after-pills/comment-page-1/#comment-552525</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Rampage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 04:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, if the religious protections of the First Amendment get the same sort of expansive reading that the freedom of speech gets then the pharmacists win, no problem. But if the courts actually follow the Constitution, then they&#039;re hosed.

But what about the prohibition of a religious test for office? Since the justification for the law is that pharmacists are licensed by the state their employment is at the will of the state. Therefore a religious test for their employment would be unconstitutional. The demand that they sell a certain item is in fact a test: a test that they do not have religious scruples against selling that item (this protects even people who do not have such a religion, one can&#039;t be compelled to take a religious test just because they deny that they have the religion).

You would have to argue that this in fact is a religious test by showing that
(1) the law is not based on health concerns because the drugs to not enhance health --they reduce economic risk.
(2) pharmacies do not exist for the purpose of reducing economic risk and are not licensed for that purpose so this is not a standard licensing issue.
(3) there is, in fact, a great deal of political hostility against people of religions that oppose the item.
(4) you might have to show that the legislature was influenced by anti-religious factions which would probably be easy to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if the religious protections of the First Amendment get the same sort of expansive reading that the freedom of speech gets then the pharmacists win, no problem. But if the courts actually follow the Constitution, then they&#8217;re hosed.</p>
<p>But what about the prohibition of a religious test for office? Since the justification for the law is that pharmacists are licensed by the state their employment is at the will of the state. Therefore a religious test for their employment would be unconstitutional. The demand that they sell a certain item is in fact a test: a test that they do not have religious scruples against selling that item (this protects even people who do not have such a religion, one can&#8217;t be compelled to take a religious test just because they deny that they have the religion).</p>
<p>You would have to argue that this in fact is a religious test by showing that<br />
(1) the law is not based on health concerns because the drugs to not enhance health &#8211;they reduce economic risk.<br />
(2) pharmacies do not exist for the purpose of reducing economic risk and are not licensed for that purpose so this is not a standard licensing issue.<br />
(3) there is, in fact, a great deal of political hostility against people of religions that oppose the item.<br />
(4) you might have to show that the legislature was influenced by anti-religious factions which would probably be easy to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Yu-Ain Gonnano</title>
		<link>http://xrlq.com/2009/07/12/morning-after-pills/comment-page-1/#comment-552307</link>
		<dc:creator>Yu-Ain Gonnano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Nah, “privacy” is just a code word for abortion, silly.&lt;/i&gt;

Heh. :-)

Of course that only means that a right to privacy argument wouldn&#039;t succeed, not that it wouldn&#039;t be correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Nah, “privacy” is just a code word for abortion, silly.</i></p>
<p>Heh. :-)</p>
<p>Of course that only means that a right to privacy argument wouldn&#8217;t succeed, not that it wouldn&#8217;t be correct.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope ... a pharmacist can always quit and take up bricklaying.

The first bite of the pharmacists personal rights was taken when they allowed their profession to be state licensed instead of privately/academically regulated.

They opted to prevent people from outside their clique from joining the profession via state regulation ... now they get to dance the state&#039;s tune.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope &#8230; a pharmacist can always quit and take up bricklaying.</p>
<p>The first bite of the pharmacists personal rights was taken when they allowed their profession to be state licensed instead of privately/academically regulated.</p>
<p>They opted to prevent people from outside their clique from joining the profession via state regulation &#8230; now they get to dance the state&#8217;s tune.</p>
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